2008 Presidential Election Thread

I am soo glad I am not allowed to vote, both of these candidates suck. If it were my choice, Juiliani would be running.

GoGetEmTigers wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

There was a debate last night but I didn't watch so I can't comment on how it went.

CNN and CBS polls both said Obama was the "winner" as did the writer for Yahoo.

I say it was pretty much a tie, I was not impressed be either!

Both polls said a lot of people said it was a tie. I didn't really feel like watching that debate so I can't really comment.

gdennis59 wrote:

I am soo glad I am not allowed to vote, both of these candidates suck. If it were my choice, Juiliani [sic] would be running.

What's so great about him? People get on Obama for having no experience, he has even less. His highest office held is what, mayor?

catbox_9 wrote:

gdennis59 wrote:

I am soo glad I am not allowed to vote, both of these candidates suck. If it were my choice, Juiliani [sic] would be running.

What's so great about him? People get on Obama for having no experience, he has even less. His highest office held is what, mayor?

I think governor but I know he didnt do a bad job in keeping order on 9/11 when he was governor of New York.

He was mayor of New York city. George Pataki was governor of New York in 2001. Giuliani has never held any office higher than mayor.

I hear he handled 9/11 quite well as mayor of NYC, but what specifically did he do well that the average mayor would not have done?

He didnt panic. Im sure there are many mayors who would have been shakin in their pants.

gdennis59 wrote:

He didnt panic. Im sure there are many mayors who would have been shakin in their pants.

Or sleeping with whores and stealing money like Kwame did

gdennis59 wrote:

He didnt panic. Im sure there are many mayors who would have been shakin in their pants.

I said tell me something he did do, not something he didn't do. Not panicking is not doing something.

I now have everyone in my house voting for Obama. I was worried that they were all going to vote for Mccain, but after seeing him today in Reno and hearing his speech and all he plans on doing, I came home from work tonight to see everyone in my house wearing Obama shirts. I'm so upset though. If I would have known he was here I would have called in sick.

I thought it was funny what one of the 10 protesters said though. She was pretending to be pregnant and made the claim that if Obama is president he will kill her unborn "FAKE" child, but it McCain is president than he would let her child be born. I didn't know Obama was going to force abortions on people. Some people are about as stupid and ignorant as they get. Even if McCain is president he won't be able to make abortion illegal and anyone who believes that should get their heads examined. You can't tell women that our bodies belong to us and then decide that our bodies belong to the government.

Are you kidding? Voting for Obama is the absolute WORST thing anyone could do! His tax plan is going to be the death of the economy! Not to mention, he (and the rest of the democrats in office) want the government to grow as large as it can get! Talk about raising the national deficit! All he wants to do is spend spend spend....and who's going to pick up the tab? You and I will! Can you afford to pay higher taxes? I know I can't.

Obama is all talk, and no action. He hasn't done Anything worthwhile since being a senator. He has absolutely no experience to speak of...yet all these people want to vote for him. Even his VP choice has said that Obama doesn't have the experience needed to be president! Now THAT is saying something, when even your VP choice doesn't think you are qualified! He talks a lot about Change....yeah...if he gets elected we'll get change all right....in our Paychecks! No more dollars in our weekly pay...just Change!

People need to understand one thing. A president only has so much power. If people in this country want REAL change in Washington DC...we need to elect different people in congress! That's where all the REAL power is. The president alone can not bring forth the kind of Change Obama says he will bring to the Oval office.

And kharmon is right...no matter who is in office, the president alone cannot make abortion illegal. That is up to the supreme court. I could go on forever thinking of why Obama would be the death of the USA as we know it....but I'd be up all night and wouldn't get any sleep. I just ask that everyone think with their heads and read up on the candidates (and not just the liberal blogs...those are too one sided to be considered trustworthy). If people knew the truth about Obama, McCain would win in November by a landslide.

Oh....btw...for those that think electing McCain is just 4 more years of Bush...think again. There are many in the Republican Party that despise McCain because he isn't nearly as conservative as they would like him to be. Some of his best friends in the Senate are Democrats, and he has done more to unify congress than anyone. When was the last time Obama reached out to a Republican to support one of his ideas? NEVER. At least McCain can say he has tried...and there have been many bills in congress co-sponsored by him and a democrat. That almost never happens! So you tell me...who's the Real uniter? It's not Obama...that's for sure!

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

Are you kidding? Voting for Obama is the absolute WORST thing anyone could do! His tax plan is going to be the death of the economy! Not to mention, he (and the rest of the democrats in office) want the government to grow as large as it can get! Talk about raising the national deficit! All he wants to do is spend spend spend....and who's going to pick up the tab? You and I will! Can you afford to pay higher taxes? I know I can't.

Obama is all talk, and no action. He hasn't done Anything worthwhile since being a senator. He has absolutely no experience to speak of...yet all these people want to vote for him. Even his VP choice has said that Obama doesn't have the experience needed to be president! Now THAT is saying something, when even your VP choice doesn't think you are qualified! He talks a lot about Change....yeah...if he gets elected we'll get change all right....in our Paychecks! No more dollars in our weekly pay...just Change!

People need to understand one thing. A president only has so much power. If people in this country want REAL change in Washington DC...we need to elect different people in congress! That's where all the REAL power is. The president alone can not bring forth the kind of Change Obama says he will bring to the Oval office.

And kharmon is right...no matter who is in office, the president alone cannot make abortion illegal. That is up to the supreme court. I could go on forever thinking of why Obama would be the death of the USA as we know it....but I'd be up all night and wouldn't get any sleep. I just ask that everyone think with their heads and read up on the candidates (and not just the liberal blogs...those are too one sided to be considered trustworthy). If people knew the truth about Obama, McCain would win in November by a landslide.

Oh....btw...for those that think electing McCain is just 4 more years of Bush...think again. There are many in the Republican Party that despise McCain because he isn't nearly as conservative as they would like him to be. Some of his best friends in the Senate are Democrats, and he has done more to unify congress than anyone. When was the last time Obama reached out to a Republican to support one of his ideas? NEVER. At least McCain can say he has tried...and there have been many bills in congress co-sponsored by him and a democrat. That almost never happens! So you tell me...who's the Real uniter? It's not Obama...that's for sure!

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

kharmon wrote:

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

I thought it was 250,000 a year?


Either way it won't work

Talking 3rd party candidates for a second, I won't vote Chuck Baldwin. Amongst other things he says Abraham Lincoln is the worst President we've ever had....him or Woodrow Wilson.

Cynthia McKinney?!??! how did she get wrapped up in the Green Party?

gs78 wrote:

kharmon wrote:

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

I thought it was 250,000 a year?


Either way it won't work

You're right...it won't work. Hypothetically...let's say that it will include people who make $100,000 a year. That would include me and my wife, since we both work, and file our taxes jointly. But....just because we GROSS over $100,000 a year, doesn't mean that I get that much. I pay $10,400 a year in child support which is taxed. I don't even get the tax exemption from the kids! So, right off the bat, I pay tax on $100,000, even though 10% of that I never see! So now people want me to vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes and give me even LESS to take home? I don't think so! I work too hard for my money to just up and hand it to the theives in Washington! Not to mention...how could anyone afford to buy season tickets to Copa if they have to pay more in taxes? LOL

Secondly....even if Obama does only raise taxes on those that make over $250,000 year...guess what? Those are generally the people that run small businesses. So, He's going to increase their taxes, giving them less profit. That being said...how long do ya think it's going to take for those business owners to start laying off their workers to make up the difference? Not long, I can tell you that! So...if people lose their jobs due to higher taxes, that means more people either on welfare, or unemployment. Then how much tax revenue is Washington going to get? Fewer workers on the payrolls mean less taxes paid in...so what happens? They raise taxes again to make up the difference! It's a vicious cycle!

Oh...and then there's the socialist healthcare program the democrats want to start....who's going to pay for that? All of us! How? Higher taxes! It's not too hard to see where this is all heading. No matter what anyone says...a vote for Obama is a vote for largely increased taxes, there's no way around it. Besides...his initials should be a dead give away that something stinks...B.O.! LOL For my own peace of mind...and for my wallet's sake...I cannot vote for BO...I just can't afford it.

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

gs78 wrote:

kharmon wrote:

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

I thought it was 250,000 a year?


Either way it won't work

You're right...it won't work. Hypothetically...let's say that it will include people who make $100,000 a year. That would include me and my wife, since we both work, and file our taxes jointly. But....just because we GROSS over $100,000 a year, doesn't mean that I get that much. I pay $10,400 a year in child support which is taxed. I don't even get the tax exemption from the kids! So, right off the bat, I pay tax on $100,000, even though 10% of that I never see! So now people want me to vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes and give me even LESS to take home? I don't think so! I work too hard for my money to just up and hand it to the theives in Washington! Not to mention...how could anyone afford to buy season tickets to Copa if they have to pay more in taxes? LOL

Secondly....even if Obama does only raise taxes on those that make over $250,000 year...guess what? Those are generally the people that run small businesses. So, He's going to increase their taxes, giving them less profit. That being said...how long do ya think it's going to take for those business owners to start laying off their workers to make up the difference? Not long, I can tell you that! So...if people lose their jobs due to higher taxes, that means more people either on welfare, or unemployment. Then how much tax revenue is Washington going to get? Fewer workers on the payrolls mean less taxes paid in...so what happens? They raise taxes again to make up the difference! It's a vicious cycle!

Oh...and then there's the socialist healthcare program the democrats want to start....who's going to pay for that? All of us! How? Higher taxes! It's not too hard to see where this is all heading. No matter what anyone says...a vote for Obama is a vote for largely increased taxes, there's no way around it. Besides...his initials should be a dead give away that something stinks...B.O.! LOL For my own peace of mind...and for my wallet's sake...I cannot vote for BO...I just can't afford it.

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I will quit my job and leave the U.S if that happens


Makes me at the thought of them lazy bums and thieves that prey all over Comerica and Ford Field and violent gang banging thugs getting one dime in reparations or more welfare

Hell No!

gs78 wrote:

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I've yet to find a credible source where he actually said that. Do you have one for me? I'm not saying he didn't say that, but I haven't seen where/when he said it.

Yes...he has said it...in a nutshell anyway..and it doesn't stop with blacks...it extends to Al-Qaida! Here's the story from World Net Daily:

ELECTION 2008
Obama suggests reparations to blacks, Native Americans
Says 'the most important thing to do
is not just offer words, but offer deeds'

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Posted: July 30, 2008
8:50 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Sen. Barack Obama told a meeting in Chicago the U.S. should review how it can make amends for "offenses" committed during its history.

And one author is speculating that might even include reparations for al-Qaida soldiers, since, after all, they've been held in violation of their "rights."

Obama's comments came in a meeting with members of UNITY '08, an event for journalists who claim membership in various minorities.

Obama, according to the report in the Honolulu Star-Bulletin, stopped just short of endorsing an official U.S. apology to various groups. He said instead the nation should acknowledge treating certain groups poorly.

"There's no doubt that when it comes to our treatment of Native Americans as well as other persons of color in this country, we've got some very sad and difficult things to account for," Obama told the convention.

He has told Hawaii reporters he supports a federal plan to recognize native Hawaiians. He was asked for his thoughts about a formal U.S. apology to American Indians.

"I personally would want to see our tragic history, or the tragic elements of our history, acknowledged," he told conventioneers.

"I consistently believe that when it comes to whether it's Native Americans or African-American issues or reparations, the most important thing for the U.S. government to do is not just offer words, but offer deeds," he said.

The issue of reparations to African-Americans for the historic slave trade or Native Americans for the "invasion" by Europeans periodically has been raised. Several years ago a lawsuit was filed claiming damages for labor at a current value of $1.4 trillion.

At Renew America, Michael Gaynor also publicly wondered about Obama's statements to a recent "Meet the Press."

Obama said, "The biggest problem that we have in terms of race relations, I think, is dealing with the legacy of past discrimination which has resulted in extreme disparities in terms of poverty, in terms of wealth and in terms of income. Our inner cities are a legacy of what happened in the past. And the question is less assigning blame or rooting out active racism, because that's not the reason that those inner cities are in such bad shape, but rather figuring out are we willing to make the investments to deal with that past history so we can move forward to a brighter future? And that involves investing in early childhood education, fixing the schools in those communities, being willing to work in terms of job retraining. And those are serious investments."

Asked Gaynor, "Is 'serious investments' code for 'reparations'? And how expensive and devastating would Obama's income redistribution policy be?"

The comments were being discussed just as the U.S. House of Representatives issued an apology to black Americans for the "fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality and inhumanity of slavery and Jim Crow" segregation."

The resolution sponsored by Rep. Steve Cohen, D-Tenn., a white Jew who earlier this year tried unsuccessfully to join the Congressional Black Caucus, was passed on a voice vote.

In February, the Senate apologized to Native Americans, and in 2005 it apologized for standing by during the lynching of blacks last century.

But at the American Spectator, Jeffrey Lord, CEO of QubeTV and former Reagan White House political director, said the logical extension of such thought obviously could include reparations for al-Qaida.

"Does Barack Obama believe it's time for America to apologize to al-Qaida?" he asked. "You think I'm joking, right? Wrong."

"The push has begun among Obama's fellow-liberals for reparations to Osama bin Laden's al-Qaida warriors. Look no further than the Los Angeles Times review of the new book by liberal journalist Jane Mayer, 'The Dark Side: The Inside Story of How The War on Terror Turned Into a War on American Ideals.' Mayer's indictment of the Bush administration's fight against terrorism has predictably received glowing reviews from the gatekeepers of liberalism, including a July 15th review from Times staff writer Tim Rutten.

"In wonderfully liberal style that is beyond parody, Rutten uses a book review to endorse the idea of paying money to Osama's fighters who, in the eyes of liberals, have been denied their 'right' of habeas corpus at Guantanamo. The denial of habeas to non-Americans captured on foreign battlefields is, of course, also a major campaign point for Senator Obama. Obama, restating his long-held position about captured al-Qaida fighters having the right of habeas corpus, was prompted by the recent 5-4 Supreme Court decision in Boumediene v. Bush.

"The liberals on the Court, with the mind-boggling addition of Reagan appointee Anthony Kennedy, held that contrary to Bush administration and congressional policy, not to mention all of American history, the prisoners of war or 'detainees' picked up off the battlefields (in this case Afghanistan and Iraq) are in fact entitled to the same constitutional rights as American citizens."

Obama's allies now are "lobbying not simply for habeas corpus rights for al-Qaida but reparations as well," Lord wrote.

"In other words, if you have been captured on the field of battle fighting the U.S. military on behalf of the global jihad and, as a result, are now on an extended stay at Gitmo, liberals feel the appropriate policy of the United States government is to 1) apologize for capturing you and 2) pay you some cold American cash to ease your pain and humiliation."

Lord cited the Nuremberg trials for war criminals from Nazi Germany. "We still gave them a day in court and that taught the entire world about who we are but also the basic principles of rule of law," he quoted Obama saying.

But he said that's wrong. "If America's only problem was with a sum total of about 1,800 German soldiers, why all that disturbing fuss known as World War II."

In reality, half a million prisoners of war were "stashed in 511 internment camps sprinkled all around the good old USA from North Carolina to Iowa to California," he wrote. "Not a single one of these men were given their habeas corpus rights. They were not tried. Not one. They were held as prisoners, forced to do whatever labor their American captors thought suitable until America had won the war."

He continued: "Will Obama … have the courage to follow [the] arguments to their logical conclusions? If the idea is to have American taxpayers fork over damages to Osama's men, why not Hitler's? Where are the trial lawyers who have been flocking to Guantanamo? The size of the damage pot in a suit against the U.S. government for the treatment of Nazis would, one suspects, be considerable."

"What is the difference between, say, German detainees Hans, "R," and Jerry and an al-Qaida Gitmo resident named Abdullah Salih al Ajmi? The first three remained lawyerless while they waited out World War II in Iowa and Minnesota. The last, Abdullah, went through Gitmo's thoroughly lawyered process and was released. On March 23, 2008, he showed up in Mosul, Iraq, when he drove a truck packed with 5,000 to 10,000 pounds of explosives into an Iraqi Army base. He killed 13 Iraqi soldiers and wounded 42 on his last mission, a mission that would never have occurred were he still in Gitmo."

He didn't define what exactly he meant by "deeds". Also, if this is so bad, why is it that a White Tennessean seemed to go for it as well?

Nowhere did he say something like "we should tax the whites and give the money to the blacks".

catbox_9 wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I've yet to find a credible source where he actually said that. Do you have one for me? I'm not saying he didn't say that, but I haven't seen where/when he said it.

Obama was for reparations as a Senator

As were members of his church he belonged to

Obama isn't gonna risk pissing off Whites


And McCain won't address the issue

But if you Google; you will find some articles

But they are being deleted fast


Libs run most of the internet!

No...but Deeds refer to the reparations....and he's been seen in the company of reparations groups campaigning. And even if he didn't come right out and say we should tax whites and give it to the blacks, any reparations would come by way of increased taxes for everyone. Just one more way for him to jack up our taxes and screw the economy even more. Just when ya thought it couldn't get any worse.....it can!

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

No...but Deeds refer to the reparations....and he's been seen in the company of reparations groups campaigning. And even if he didn't come right out and say we should tax whites and give it to the blacks, any reparations would come by way of increased taxes for everyone. Just one more way for him to jack up our taxes and screw the economy even more. Just when ya thought it couldn't get any worse.....it can!

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I've yet to find a credible source where he actually said that. Do you have one for me? I'm not saying he didn't say that, but I haven't seen where/when he said it.

Obama was for reparations as a Senator

As were members of his church he belonged to

Obama isn't gonna risk pissing off Whites


And McCain won't address the issue

But if you Google; you will find some articles

But they are being deleted fast


Libs run most of the internet!

You're right there, Gs....they are being deleted quickly! There's a LOT of negative things about him that you can't find anymore. There was a video on YouTube showing how Obama had a direct hand in the deregulation of the banks, and his association with one of the croneys that got rich off the sub-prime lending scandle....and it was yanked! The DNC had Time-Warner pull the video on grounds of Copyright Violations because of the music being played in the background! That's how desperate they are to protect their "Messiah".

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I've yet to find a credible source where he actually said that. Do you have one for me? I'm not saying he didn't say that, but I haven't seen where/when he said it.

Obama was for reparations as a Senator

As were members of his church he belonged to

Obama isn't gonna risk pissing off Whites


And McCain won't address the issue

But if you Google; you will find some articles

But they are being deleted fast


Libs run most of the internet!

You're right there, Gs....they are being deleted quickly! There's a LOT of negative things about him that you can't find anymore. There was a video on YouTube showing how Obama had a direct hand in the deregulation of the banks, and his association with one of the croneys that got rich off the sub-prime lending scandle....and it was yanked! The DNC had Time-Warner pull the video on grounds of Copyright Violations because of the music being played in the background! That's how desperate they are to protect their "Messiah".

Yet!


People think I am making this shit up!

I know you're not....and I found the video I was refering to...the person that created it changed the music in the background, and added someother stuff to it as well. LOL It's one more reason to not vote Democrat!

Thanks!


I will watch it later

Still at work

gs78 wrote:

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

gs78 wrote:

kharmon wrote:

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

I thought it was 250,000 a year?


Either way it won't work

You're right...it won't work. Hypothetically...let's say that it will include people who make $100,000 a year. That would include me and my wife, since we both work, and file our taxes jointly. But....just because we GROSS over $100,000 a year, doesn't mean that I get that much. I pay $10,400 a year in child support which is taxed. I don't even get the tax exemption from the kids! So, right off the bat, I pay tax on $100,000, even though 10% of that I never see! So now people want me to vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes and give me even LESS to take home? I don't think so! I work too hard for my money to just up and hand it to the theives in Washington! Not to mention...how could anyone afford to buy season tickets to Copa if they have to pay more in taxes? LOL

Secondly....even if Obama does only raise taxes on those that make over $250,000 year...guess what? Those are generally the people that run small businesses. So, He's going to increase their taxes, giving them less profit. That being said...how long do ya think it's going to take for those business owners to start laying off their workers to make up the difference? Not long, I can tell you that! So...if people lose their jobs due to higher taxes, that means more people either on welfare, or unemployment. Then how much tax revenue is Washington going to get? Fewer workers on the payrolls mean less taxes paid in...so what happens? They raise taxes again to make up the difference! It's a vicious cycle!

Oh...and then there's the socialist healthcare program the democrats want to start....who's going to pay for that? All of us! How? Higher taxes! It's not too hard to see where this is all heading. No matter what anyone says...a vote for Obama is a vote for largely increased taxes, there's no way around it. Besides...his initials should be a dead give away that something stinks...B.O.! LOL For my own peace of mind...and for my wallet's sake...I cannot vote for BO...I just can't afford it.

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I will quit my job and leave the U.S if that happens


Makes me at the thought of them lazy bums and thieves that prey all over Comerica and Ford Field and violent gang banging thugs getting one dime in reparations or more welfare

Hell No!

Really? All black people are bums and thieves and gang bangers? They're all on welfare? I know more white people that are bums and thieves and just lazy people then black people who are that way. Where would you go if that does happen. Not Canada, they have high taxes to pay for their universal health care. Why should someone go without health insurance just because their job doesn't offer it or they can't afford it? If Mccain is president taxes will still go up. The only difference is your tax money will be going to some war we shouldn't even be fighting and not to helping people in our own country who need. Helping people or killing people? tough choice. You guys act like Mccain is going to safe our country and everyone is going to be so much richer if he's president. Wake up, taxes are going to go up no matter who is president. You just have to decide if the money is better spend on weapons to kill people for oil, or on helping people here.

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You just have to decide if the money is better spend on weapons to kill people for oil, or on helping people here.

Better spent on weapons to kill people for oil?? Please tell me you're kidding! If we were in Iraq for the oil...do you really think we'd be paying $4.00 a gallon at the pump? I don't think so! McCain sure isn't my 1st choice...but he's the more responsible one. I know many people want our troops out of Iraq, and probably for good reason, but we need to be responsible about it. You can't just have a new president walk into the oval office and instantly pull all of our troops out.

For the record...I was in the middle east during the 1st gulf war...and I can tell you from 1st hand experience that the people that live over there do NOT want us to leave the Iraqi's high and dry. It's not just Iraq, but Iraq's neighbors that want our troops there. They have been in fear of terrorists and extremists since the mid 80's. They want Peace in the middle east...not crazy psycho extremists running around taking over whatever area of land they see fit. Ask the Turks....they have been intimidated by terorists and Sadam Huesein's regime for 20 years! I know this because I was THERE! They only feel safe because of our presence. I want our troops to come home as much as anyone..and I want them home safely! But....we have to be responsible. We can't just have a new president just rush in and bring them home the 1st day he's in office.

The war in Iraq is not, nor has it ever been, about oil. Anyone that thinks so is brainwashed by mainstream media like CNN (the Clinton News Network) or MSNBC. The war in Iraq is about bringing peace to the region and deter terrorists from setting up camp where ever they see fit. If it was about Oil...we'd be paying $1.50 a gallon at the pump. Oh wait...no we wouldn't...because the liberal environmentalists won't let us build new refineries to keep up with the demand....my bad.

Seriously though...as far as the reparations are concerned..I'm all for a public apology from Washington DC....but to pay ANYONE for something that happened 2 centuries ago is ludicrous. No one alive today was a slave. Nor is there anyone alive today that owned a slave. Besides...at the time, slavery...while immoral...was not illegal when it took place. Not to mention...African Americans can only blame their own decendants for slavery. Their own people sold them to the Americans that used them as slaves. It's kind of like supply and demand...there was a demand by rich white Americans for slaves to do their dirty work...but there had to be a supply of people from somewhere in order for slavery to even be a factor. Without a country to sell their own people, there would not have been slaves to begin with. It goes both ways. The US is not the only country to balme for slavery.

kharmon wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

gs78 wrote:

kharmon wrote:

The only people his tax plan will raise taxes for are the people who make $100,000+ a year. How is he going to be the death of our economy? Our economy is already dead. It is only the rich who can afford to live anymore. McCain has said that people who's homes have been foreclosed on our Lazy. How can people afford to keep their homes when everything is getting more expensive and wages are staying the same? McCain IS the same as Bush, he voted with Bush 90% of the time, that makes him 90% Bush where it counts.

I thought it was 250,000 a year?


Either way it won't work

You're right...it won't work. Hypothetically...let's say that it will include people who make $100,000 a year. That would include me and my wife, since we both work, and file our taxes jointly. But....just because we GROSS over $100,000 a year, doesn't mean that I get that much. I pay $10,400 a year in child support which is taxed. I don't even get the tax exemption from the kids! So, right off the bat, I pay tax on $100,000, even though 10% of that I never see! So now people want me to vote for someone who's going to raise my taxes and give me even LESS to take home? I don't think so! I work too hard for my money to just up and hand it to the theives in Washington! Not to mention...how could anyone afford to buy season tickets to Copa if they have to pay more in taxes? LOL

Secondly....even if Obama does only raise taxes on those that make over $250,000 year...guess what? Those are generally the people that run small businesses. So, He's going to increase their taxes, giving them less profit. That being said...how long do ya think it's going to take for those business owners to start laying off their workers to make up the difference? Not long, I can tell you that! So...if people lose their jobs due to higher taxes, that means more people either on welfare, or unemployment. Then how much tax revenue is Washington going to get? Fewer workers on the payrolls mean less taxes paid in...so what happens? They raise taxes again to make up the difference! It's a vicious cycle!

Oh...and then there's the socialist healthcare program the democrats want to start....who's going to pay for that? All of us! How? Higher taxes! It's not too hard to see where this is all heading. No matter what anyone says...a vote for Obama is a vote for largely increased taxes, there's no way around it. Besides...his initials should be a dead give away that something stinks...B.O.! LOL For my own peace of mind...and for my wallet's sake...I cannot vote for BO...I just can't afford it.

Don't forget the reparations he wants to pay out to blacks for slavery!

I will quit my job and leave the U.S if that happens


Makes me at the thought of them lazy bums and thieves that prey all over Comerica and Ford Field and violent gang banging thugs getting one dime in reparations or more welfare

Hell No!

Really? All black people are bums and thieves and gang bangers? They're all on welfare? I know more white people that are bums and thieves and just lazy people then black people who are that way. Where would you go if that does happen. Not Canada, they have high taxes to pay for their universal health care. Why should someone go without health insurance just because their job doesn't offer it or they can't afford it? If Mccain is president taxes will still go up. The only difference is your tax money will be going to some war we shouldn't even be fighting and not to helping people in our own country who need. Helping people or killing people? tough choice. You guys act like Mccain is going to safe our country and everyone is going to be so much richer if he's president. Wake up, taxes are going to go up no matter who is president. You just have to decide if the money is better spend on weapons to kill people for oil, or on helping people here.

Sorry to say; But 99% of the bums and thieves around Comerica Park and Ford Field are black; I go to almost every Tigers Game; I know what I am talking about.


Why should my tax dollars go to people that refuse to work and steal; Even if they were white; I would feel the same way.


And as far as War Goes; Congress voted to go to War in Iraq in 2003; Democrats and Republicans alike!


Congress [ Which is controlled by the Democrats] keeps approving

Bush's proposals to fund the fighting!


Funny how only the Republicans take the heat when it comes to war.

We must be doing something right, though

Haven't had a terrorist attack on American soil since 9-11