Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:52 pm
Video: Obama Explains How His Health Care Plan Will ‘Eliminate’ Private Insurance
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Mon Aug 03, 2009 6:54 pm
I accept having a plan for those who cannot get private health insurance, but I am highly against the Govt. putting private healthcare out of business.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Tue Aug 04, 2009 2:06 am
I have mixed feelings about this; I don't care for big government or Obama; however; I won't have insurance soon either; I have been out of work for over a month; can't find a job right now;
I am not against this as much as I would have been two or three months ago;
Though I don't believe Obama's plans are going to work; Sounds like smoke and mirrors in order to give the government more power in peoples lives
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:03 pm
Not a strong opinion here. I have insurance so theoretically I don't need/want to lose private insurance. Then again, if a universal insurance was any good, who cares if I lose my current insurance? I strongly believe that everyone should have insurance and there's no reason anyone's insurance should be any better than anyone else's so losing private insurance isn't a big deal so long as the universal insurance is as good as my current private insurance. I haven't paid enough attention to the plan for this insurance so I can't really comment on if I agree with it or not. As I already have insurance this isn't an issue I care about enough to follow on a day-to-day basis.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:10 am
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:17 am
Pudgerocks wrote:
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
Funny how the Democrats want to have Universal Healthcare; but they support the trial lawyers who rack up lawsuit after lawsuit against Doctors, Hospitals and Medical Centers, helping to drive up the cost of insurance
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:29 am
gs78 wrote:
Pudgerocks wrote:
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
Funny how the Democrats want to have Universal Healthcare; but they support the trial lawyers who rack up lawsuit after lawsuit against Doctors, Hospitals and Medical Centers, helping to drive up the cost of insurance
I hate civil lawsuits. Need to do away with almost all of them.
Speaking of criticizing political viewpoints, hardcore conservatives are opposed to abortion (and possibly birth control) yet at the same time they don't think everyone deserves access to healthcare.
People oftentimes say universal healthcare will make things worse and what not, but I'm not sure this is true. Emergency rooms are required by law to treat whomever goes to the ER. Lots of uninsured people go to the ER for things that should require a visit to a normal doctor knowing they aren't going to pay regardless. More money needs to be spent in preventative care to help reduce the populations in emergency rooms.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:33 am
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
Pudgerocks wrote:
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
Funny how the Democrats want to have Universal Healthcare; but they support the trial lawyers who rack up lawsuit after lawsuit against Doctors, Hospitals and Medical Centers, helping to drive up the cost of insurance
I hate civil lawsuits. Need to do away with almost all of them.
Speaking of criticizing political viewpoints, hardcore conservatives are opposed to abortion (and possibly birth control) yet at the same time they don't think everyone deserves access to healthcare.
People oftentimes say universal healthcare will make things worse and what not, but I'm not sure this is true. Emergency rooms are required by law to treat whomever goes to the ER. Lots of uninsured people go to the ER for things that should require a visit to a normal doctor knowing they aren't going to pay regardless. More money needs to be spent in preventative care to help reduce the populations in emergency rooms.
You are right about the hardcore conservatives; They all for Government control on abortion and birth control; but people that can't afford healthcare are Shit outta luck
I am tired of both parties; I know in the past I tended to favor the Conservatives; but they aren't helping me find work or a woman
Fuck em all; Easter Island sounding better all the time
Get me out of this shit
laprimamirala Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:59 am
I fear a Soylent Green type of scenario. Citizens of a "certain age" will be advised they can let themselves be killed if they wish. Rationed healthcare! And why should I work? I can just get on the government's coattails and ride until my death!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:10 pm
Well, as a "hardcore conservative", I have to disagree with some of your statements. I am completely and totally pro-life but that does not just apply to unborn babies. Pro-life has to do with life for everyone! I think that every US citizen is entitled to proper healthcare. However, I think that it is too easy to sit back on our butts and get everything covered. There is no incentinve to get off of welfare and medicaid. I believe that people on aid should have to pass some testing or have to show proof of their spendings. Everyday at work I see people picking up their "free" medication, that you and I are paying for, while driving their fancy cars and nursing their new tatoos, which cost hundreds of dollars, (that was not a slam on tatoos by the way) and buying cigs, etc. Anyway, I hate political discussions. I think the bottom line is that some type of reform needs to happen. I think that the parties are getting too wrapped up in being parties and not enough in helping out the country that they were elected to govern.
Um gs78-I'm not so sure any party can help out with the woman thing-I think you are on your own!!!!!!! You have us!!!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:38 pm
gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
Pudgerocks wrote:
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
Funny how the Democrats want to have Universal Healthcare; but they support the trial lawyers who rack up lawsuit after lawsuit against Doctors, Hospitals and Medical Centers, helping to drive up the cost of insurance
I hate civil lawsuits. Need to do away with almost all of them.
Speaking of criticizing political viewpoints, hardcore conservatives are opposed to abortion (and possibly birth control) yet at the same time they don't think everyone deserves access to healthcare.
People oftentimes say universal healthcare will make things worse and what not, but I'm not sure this is true. Emergency rooms are required by law to treat whomever goes to the ER. Lots of uninsured people go to the ER for things that should require a visit to a normal doctor knowing they aren't going to pay regardless. More money needs to be spent in preventative care to help reduce the populations in emergency rooms.
You are right about the hardcore conservatives; They all for Government control on abortion and birth control; but people that can't afford healthcare are Shit outta luck
I am tired of both parties; I know in the past I tended to favor the Conservatives; but they aren't helping me find work or a woman
Fuck em all; Easter Island sounding better all the time
Get me out of this shit
Yeah, the two party system sucks. I'm voting green party all the way next election.
laprimamirala Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:46 pm
The big camel in the room is that NO elected official will be on this "universal healthcare!" They have free access to the most sophisticated medical technology in the world for the rest of their lives! Until they can walk the walk with the rest of us, I don't want any more government involvement! Reform what is already in place!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:58 pm
laprimamirala wrote:
The big camel in the room is that NO elected official will be on this "universal healthcare!" They have free access to the most sophisticated medical technology in the world for the rest of their lives! Until they can walk the walk with the rest of us, I don't want any more government involvement! Reform what is already in place!
You are exactly right-they don't walk in our shoes-they have no idea what it means to need-not that we really do either but you know what I mean. I think our government needs reformed just as bad or worse than our healthcare!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:48 pm
laprimamirala wrote:
I fear a Soylent Green type of scenario. Citizens of a "certain age" will be advised they can let themselves be killed if they wish. Rationed healthcare! And why should I work? I can just get on the government's coattails and ride until my death!
The way my life is going right now; living to a ripe old age sounds like a prison sentence with no parole;
With 15 percent unemployment and many more working less than 40 hours a week for jobs that don't have healthcare; I also disagree with the idea that people won't work and are riding the coatails of the government
The people that don't or can't work are already getting Medicaid, Welfare, Bridge Card, etc, etc;
If anything; we are wasting billions in Welfare and Medicare fraud [ remember all those people that were arrested by the feds in Detroit last month] that could be used towards national healthcare
Then again this is the government we are talking about;
They always have their hand in the cookie jar
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:52 pm
Pudgerocks wrote:
Well, as a "hardcore conservative", I have to disagree with some of your statements. I am completely and totally pro-life but that does not just apply to unborn babies. Pro-life has to do with life for everyone! I think that every US citizen is entitled to proper healthcare. However, I think that it is too easy to sit back on our butts and get everything covered. There is no incentinve to get off of welfare and medicaid. I believe that people on aid should have to pass some testing or have to show proof of their spendings. Everyday at work I see people picking up their "free" medication, that you and I are paying for, while driving their fancy cars and nursing their new tatoos, which cost hundreds of dollars, (that was not a slam on tatoos by the way) and buying cigs, etc. Anyway, I hate political discussions. I think the bottom line is that some type of reform needs to happen. I think that the parties are getting too wrapped up in being parties and not enough in helping out the country that they were elected to govern.
Um gs78-I'm not so sure any party can help out with the woman thing-I think you are on your own!!!!!!! You have us!!!!!!!!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:36 pm
Um gs78-I'm not so sure any party can help out with the woman thing-I think you are on your own!!!!!!! You have us!!!!!!!![/quote]
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We're here for you man! :lol: :mwah:
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:42 pm
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
Pudgerocks wrote:
WOW Catbox-that was a lot of information! I work in a pharmacy and I could go on and on about what I see everyday. However, I am not an Obama supporter so I almost hate anything he supports-no, I'm not really that shallow. Anyway, I definitely agree that something needs to change but I don't believe that government healthcare is the way-they are taking over waaaaay too much lately!
Funny how the Democrats want to have Universal Healthcare; but they support the trial lawyers who rack up lawsuit after lawsuit against Doctors, Hospitals and Medical Centers, helping to drive up the cost of insurance
I hate civil lawsuits. Need to do away with almost all of them.
Speaking of criticizing political viewpoints, hardcore conservatives are opposed to abortion (and possibly birth control) yet at the same time they don't think everyone deserves access to healthcare.
People oftentimes say universal healthcare will make things worse and what not, but I'm not sure this is true. Emergency rooms are required by law to treat whomever goes to the ER. Lots of uninsured people go to the ER for things that should require a visit to a normal doctor knowing they aren't going to pay regardless. More money needs to be spent in preventative care to help reduce the populations in emergency rooms.
You are right about the hardcore conservatives; They all for Government control on abortion and birth control; but people that can't afford healthcare are Shit outta luck
I am tired of both parties; I know in the past I tended to favor the Conservatives; but they aren't helping me find work or a woman
Fuck em all; Easter Island sounding better all the time
Get me out of this shit
Yeah, the two party system sucks. I'm voting green party all the way next election.
They had Going Going Green Weekend at Comerica Park recently
Don't think it had anything to do with politics
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:43 pm
laprimamirala wrote:
The big camel in the room is that NO elected official will be on this "universal healthcare!" They have free access to the most sophisticated medical technology in the world for the rest of their lives! Until they can walk the walk with the rest of us, I don't want any more government involvement! Reform what is already in place!
Who is gonna reform it?
Obama? Congress ? Sure as hell won't be the GOP!
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:44 pm
Pudgerocks wrote:
Um gs78-I'm not so sure any party can help out with the woman thing-I think you are on your own!!!!!!! You have us!!!!!!!!
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We're here for you man! :lol: :mwah:[/quote]
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:03 pm
gs78 wrote:
laprimamirala wrote:
The big camel in the room is that NO elected official will be on this "universal healthcare!" They have free access to the most sophisticated medical technology in the world for the rest of their lives! Until they can walk the walk with the rest of us, I don't want any more government involvement! Reform what is already in place!
Who is gonna reform it?
Obama? Congress ? Sure as hell won't be the GOP!
Of course it won't be the GOP.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:32 pm
gs78 wrote:
They had Going Going Green Weekend at Comerica Park recently
Don't think it had anything to do with politics
Probably not. You can be a hardcore conservative and still in favor of helping out the environment. The actual Green party tends to be fairly liberal.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:55 am
catbox_9 wrote:
gs78 wrote:
They had Going Going Green Weekend at Comerica Park recently
Don't think it had anything to do with politics
Probably not. You can be a hardcore conservative and still in favor of helping out the environment. The actual Green party tends to be fairly liberal.
However; But the Liberals Cash for Clunkers Program; they need to stop that BS, is bad for the enviroment;
Where are all them junked cars ending up? We gonna fill our landfills up in just to get people to trash their running cars for a new car that gets 10 more miles to the gallon
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Fri Aug 07, 2009 11:53 am
They say they're going to recycle them which would cut on emissions since newer cars cause fewer emissions. Whether or not they're actually recycling the cars I cannot say.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:20 pm
catbox_9 wrote:
They say they're going to recycle them which would cut on emissions since newer cars cause fewer emissions. Whether or not they're actually recycling the cars I cannot say.
So they say;
Like they always tell the truth
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 19, 2009 5:04 pm
catbox_9 wrote:
They say they're going to recycle them which would cut on emissions since newer cars cause fewer emissions. Whether or not they're actually recycling the cars I cannot say.
From what I have read in the local newspapers, they completely and totally seize up the engine, rendering it completely useless, and then the cars all go to a junk yard....or some rednecks backyard to be used as a storm shelter....
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:24 pm
Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
They say they're going to recycle them which would cut on emissions since newer cars cause fewer emissions. Whether or not they're actually recycling the cars I cannot say.
From what I have read in the local newspapers, they completely and totally seize up the engine, rendering it completely useless, and then the cars all go to a junk yard....or some rednecks backyard to be used as a storm shelter....
That's funny! I have heard that they seize the engine right at the dealership after the sale is made and then it goes straight to the junkyard to be crushed. Seems like we could find a better use than that.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Thu Dec 17, 2009 9:04 pm
Completely Reckless, Completely Irresponsible from the Office of Senator Mitch McConnell
Thursday, December 17, 2009
‘And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen. That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private’
WASHINGTON, D.C. - U.S. Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell made the following remarks on the Senate floor Thursday regarding the importance of getting it right on health care reform:
“Senators on both sides acknowledge that the health care bill we’re considering is among the most significant pieces of legislation any of us will ever consider.
“So it stands to reason that we’d devote significant time and attention to it.
“Indeed, some would argue that we should spend more time and attention on this bill than most — if not every — previous bill we’ve considered.
“The Majority disagrees.
“Why? Because this bill has become a political nightmare for them.
“They know Americans overwhelmingly oppose it, so they want to get it over with.
“Americans are already outraged at the fact that Democrat leaders took their eyes off the ball. Rushing the process on a partisan line makes the situation even worse.
“Americans were told the purpose of reform was to reduce the cost of health care.
“Instead, Democrat leaders produced a $2.5 trillion, 2,074-page monstrosity that vastly expands government, raises taxes, raises premiums, and wrecks Medicare.
“And they want to rush this bill through by Christmas — one of the most significant, far-reaching pieces of legislation in U.S. history. They want to rush it.
“And here’s the most outrageous part: at the end of this rush, they want us to vote on a bill that no one outside the Majority Leader’s conference room has even seen.
“That’s right. The final bill we’ll vote on isn’t even the one we’ve had on the floor. It’s the deal Democrat leaders have been trying to work out in private.
“That’s what they intend to bring to the floor and force a vote on before Christmas.
“So this entire process is essentially a charade.
“But let’s just compare the process so far with previous legislation for some perspective. Here’s a snapshot of what we’ve done and where we stand:
• The Majority Leader intends to bring this debate to a close as early as this weekend — four days from now, on this $2.5 trillion dollar mistake
• No American who hasn’t been invited into the Majority Leader’s conference room knows what will be in that bill
• This bill has been the pending business of the Senate since the last week of November — less than four weeks ago.
• We started the amendment process two weeks ago.
• We’ve had 21 amendments and motions — less than two a day.
“Now let’s look at how the Senate has dealt with previous legislation.
“No Child Left Behind (2001):
• 21 session days or 7 weeks.
• Roll Call votes: 44
• Number of Amendments offered: 157
“9/11 Commission/Homeland Security Act (2002):
• 19 session days over 7 weeks.
• Roll Call votes: 20
• Number of Amendments offered: 30
“Energy Bill (2002):
• 21 session days over 8 weeks
• Number of Roll Call votes: 36
• Number of Amendments offered: 158
“This isn’t an energy bill. This is an attempt by a majority to take over one sixth of the U.S. economy — to vastly expand the reach and the role of government into the health care decisions of every single American — and they want to be done after one substantive amendment. This is absolutely inexcusable.
“I think Senator Snowe put it best on Tuesday:
‘Given the enormity and complexity,’ she said, ‘I don’t see anything magical about the Christmas deadline if this bill is going to become law in 2014.’
“And I think Senator Snowe’s comments on a lack of bipartisanship at the outset of this debate are also right on point.
“Here’s what she said in late November:
‘I am truly disappointed we are commencing our historic debate on one of the most significant and pressing domestic issues of our time with a process that has forestalled our ability to arrive at broader agreement on some of the most crucial elements of health care reform. The bottom line is, the most consequential health care legislation in the history of our country and the reordering of $33 trillion in health care spending over the coming decade shouldn’t be determined by one vote-margin strategies – surely we can and must do better.’
“The only conceivable justification for rushing this bill is the overwhelming opposition of the American people. Democrats know that the longer Americans see this bill the less they like it. Here’s the latest from Pew. It came out just yesterday.
“A majority (58 percent) of those who have heard a lot about the bills oppose them while only 32 percent favor them.”
“There is no justification for this blind rush — except a political one, and that’s not good enough for the American people.
“And there’s no justification for forcing the Senate to vote on a bill none of us has seen.
“Americans already oppose this bill. The process is just as bad.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Fri Dec 18, 2009 12:09 am
Damn politics...
I think I'll just not become involved in all of that. So much drama. Life's too short for that.
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Subject: Re: Obama healthcare is intended to eliminate priv. Insurance Sun Dec 20, 2009 4:40 am
gdennis59 wrote:
Damn politics...
I think I'll just not become involved in all of that. So much drama. Life's too short for that.
Everything takes too damn long...especially in the Senate. I'm so sick of hearing about this bill. Either pass it or don't. All these provisions and amendments to bills like this are dumb, why should you need 60/100 votes when 50 (plus the tiebreaker vote) is a majority? Get rid of filibusters, the House doesn't have them. They passed a health care bill forever ago.
Whatever they do, please stop talking about this. I could care less about a health care bill. I believe everyone should have access to health care - no one's life is any more valuable than someone else's. At the same time, I have health care so I'm not directly effected by this bill.
In another dumb move, the defense bill overwhelmingly passed which will allow us to spend billions of dollars we don't have to fund two wars we can't win.
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