I am sick of the "I'm a POW" hype

In order to be fair, I thought we should have an anti-McCain thread to go with our anti-Obama thread.

Here it is!

I agree! I am sick of the POW stuff too, but it isn't coming out of the McCain camp! I am sick of politicians and their lies, both sides!

McCain is not a conservative, never was.

Mccain's not a conservative? What is his stand on gay marriage? Abortion? War? No! No! Yes! Sounds like every other conservative republican out there. I just got done reading three different blogs about him. I want to know what each stands for before I take sides and all three commented on Mccain's inconsistencies.

" John McCain: voted against Bush tax cuts, then voted to make them permanent; attacked concept of a withdrawal date from Iraq and then proposed his own 2013 withdrawal date; created Gang of 14 and then said he’d nominate ‘constructionist judges.’ John McCain: passionate advocate of amnesty for illegal aliens who then swore he would oppose amnesty for illegal aliens;"

I don't want a president who can't even make up his mind about what he wants. Isn't that one of the biggest fears of having a female president?


I haven't read everything about the two of them, but that's what I get so far.

At least McCain was a War Hero in Vietnam


Obama won't even wear an American Flag lapel on his sportcoat

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

That is bullshit!


Yet; people overlook that;


Yesterday; I saw so many people in Detroit that were wearing Obama Shirts; Not just blacks;


Whites, Asians, Arabs and Latinos; Of all ages, too.

You think Elvis or the Beatles were in concert

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

Yeah! but your not running for President, either

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

I am surprised people don't yell at you when you do that.

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

I am surprised people don't yell at you when you do that.

I would!

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

Not the same We are taught as children to respect the Pledge. It's one of the first things we are ever taught, and he can't even make himself stand for it, yet he's running for President? Disgusting.

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

I am surprised people don't yell at you when you do that.

In San Diego I get dirty looks for not saluting the marines. It's a pretty military-oriented city so that's borderline treason.

SoulRat wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

Not the same We are taught as children to respect the Pledge. It's one of the first things we are ever taught, and he can't even make himself stand for it, yet he's running for President? Disgusting.

Oh, I don't stand for the pledge of allegiance either

My personal belief is forcing people to behave in a symbolic way goes against the freedom those symbols stand for.

On a somewhat related matter, I very, very strongly oppose any Constitutional amendment banning flag burning.

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Obama won't even stand for the Pledge of Allegiance

I won't stand for God Bless America at a baseball game nor will I stand and applaud the Marines when they all stand and applaud during the playing of The Shores of Triploi

Not the same We are taught as children to respect the Pledge. It's one of the first things we are ever taught, and he can't even make himself stand for it, yet he's running for President? Disgusting.

Oh, I don't stand for the pledge of allegiance either

My personal belief is forcing people to behave in a symbolic way goes against the freedom those symbols stand for.

On a somewhat related matter, I very, very strongly oppose any Constitutional amendment banning flag burning.

Do you stand for the Canadian National Anthem?

Or boo it like they did in LA

I stand for the Canadian anthem (and ours although I never, ever place my hands anywhere but at my sides).

I also stand for Take Me Out to the Ballgame - not doing so is treason

catbox_9 wrote:

I stand for the Canadian anthem (and ours although I never, ever place my hands anywhere but at my sides).

I also stand for Take Me Out to the Ballgame - not doing so is treason

If they played the Chinese national anthem for some reason, I'd probably give a Nazi salute to that...or I'd be a wimp and not stand.

catbox_9 wrote:

If they played the Chinese national anthem for some reason, I'd probably give a Nazi salute to that...or I'd be a wimp and not stand.

I would

catbox_9 wrote:

Oh, I don't stand for the pledge of allegiance either

My personal belief is forcing people to behave in a symbolic way goes against the freedom those symbols stand for.

On a somewhat related matter, I very, very strongly oppose any Constitutional amendment banning flag burning.

Well, if you were running for President of the United States and I watched you refuse to stand for the pledge, I'm sure I would be disgusted with you too

Burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of one.

SoulRat wrote:

I'm ...disgusted with you too

SoulRat wrote:

Burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of one.

But not if there's nothing wrong with it and it's as a form of protest. I mean you can get in trouble for burning your draft card but if you're sitting at home smoking a cigarette and it catches on fire by accident it's not a big deal. Speaking of draft cards, the Supreme Court ruled that wearing a shirt that read "F- the Draft" in court was legal (of course said shirt had 3 more letters in the first word ).

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

I'm ...disgusted with you too

SoulRat wrote:

Burning the flag is the proper way to dispose of one.

But not if there's nothing wrong with it and it's as a form of protest. I mean you can get in trouble for burning your draft card but if you're sitting at home smoking a cigarette and it catches on fire by accident it's not a big deal. Speaking of draft cards, the Supreme Court ruled that wearing a shirt that read "F- the Draft" in court was legal (of course said shirt had 3 more letters in the first word ).

:haha: I love how you pick and choose what to frown about

And yeah I know, I'm just saying, you couldn't very well make a constitutional amendment saying you can't burn the flag. People would just say "hey, I'm disposing of it" :haha:

Although...I think there would be many people who would support such a constitutional amendment...especially those of us who have fought to protect what that flag stands for....freedom!

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

Although...I think there would be many people who would support such a constitutional amendment...especially those of us who have fought to protect what that flag stands for....freedom!

Burning the flag other than for disposal is also disgusting to me and in truth I think I would have a hard time even burning an old one. I was stunned when I learned that was the proper way to get rid of one. I know my husband would fight to his death for such an amendment though.

I guess there's a few flag-supporters here. They may not find this question amusing...

Spoiler:

Speaking of doing things to piss people off....when my mom used to force me to go to church I used to read the Qur'an rather than listen to the sermon

Ohios#1TigerFan wrote:

flag stands for....freedom!

Wouldn't it also stand for the freedom to be able to burn it in protest? While I have never burned a flag nor can I ever envision myself burning one (I'm too lazy to protest) I think restricting the ability to burn the flag goes against the freedom it represents in the first place.

catbox_9 wrote:

I guess there's a few flag-supporters here. They may not find this question amusing...

Spoiler:

Speaking of doing things to piss people off....when my mom used to force me to go to church I used to read the Qur'an rather than listen to the sermon

Yes it would be, the flag isn't supposed to touch the floor or ground.

However, that being said, who the hell am I to tell you what you can use the flag for? Just because things disgust me doesn't mean you don't have the right to do it. I also would never get an abortion, but that wouldn't stop me from defending your right to get one.

SoulRat wrote:

Yes it would be, the flag isn't supposed to touch the floor or ground.

What if it was a state flag? You don't see a lot of people making a big deal out of state flags for some reason. They say you should never, ever fly your state's flag higher than the nation's flag (unless you're Texas - they can fly theirs at the same height since Texas was once a sovereign nation). Personally, I think of myself as Californian more than American. Still I wouldn't go out of my way to disrespect either flag (burning, using it as a rug, etc.). It's just that if my fan blows my temporary curtain onto the floor I don't really get upset.

SoulGoat wrote:

I also would never get an abortion, but that wouldn't stop me from defending your right to get one.

I wouldn't have guessed that last part. That's the way I feel. I would never get one (well duh!) but I sure as hell won't stop people from getting one. I hate to over-generalize and sound pretty harsh, but look at the people that get abortions. Very rarely is the woman married and well-off financially. The would-be mother is usually a 13-year-old drug addicted destined to raise a kid who will grow up to be the same.

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRat wrote:

Yes it would be, the flag isn't supposed to touch the floor or ground.

What if it was a state flag? You don't see a lot of people making a big deal out of state flags for some reason. They say you should never, ever fly your state's flag higher than the nation's flag (unless you're Texas - they can fly theirs at the same height since Texas was once a sovereign nation). Personally, I think of myself as Californian more than American. Still I wouldn't go out of my way to disrespect either flag (burning, using it as a rug, etc.). It's just that if my fan blows my temporary curtain onto the floor I don't really get upset.

To be totally honest, I never really thought about the state flag. I've never had one, nor had to handle one, so I've never really thought about it

And the fan blowing it on the floor accidently is just that, an accident.

catbox_9 wrote:

SoulRAT wrote:

I also would never get an abortion, but that wouldn't stop me from defending your right to get one.

I wouldn't have guessed that last part. That's the way I feel. I would never get one (well duh!) but I sure as hell won't stop people from getting one. I hate to over-generalize and sound pretty harsh, but look at the people that get abortions. Very rarely is the woman married and well-off financially. The would-be mother is usually a 13-year-old drug addicted destined to raise a kid who will grow up to be the same.

Really? I'm pretty conservative but I've always been very strongly pro-choice. I look at it this way, there are enough unwanted children around for one. And if Roe vs. Wade ever got overturned, women will still go to extreme measures to abort their unwanted fetuses. The question to me is, do I want a professionally trained doctor to perform these procedures or do I want these women to kill themselves with a coat hanger? Sorry to be so crude but yeah, I've very very pro-choice, always have been. Must be the woman in me :haha: