Tigers.com GDT - Tigers @ Red Sox - 4/10/08

The original is here (it is a continuation of yesterday's thread - today's game starts at post 82).

From: scarolina 3:28 pm
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OK, here's the lucky thread. I think we should continue it for today's game.

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From: trigger57 3:45 pm
To: scarolina (83 of 105)
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or maybe it was due to fact that I had to quit
watching after the third inning in order to
let my son do some kind of project. I have
to admit that I was somewhat sanguine about
our chances at that point. So maybe I should
just watch from the sidelines until we lose
again.

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From: scarolina 3:51 pm
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No, it was definitely this thread that did the trick.

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From: bondlander05 4:04 pm
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OK, who's got lineups? This is the new running game thread, correct? Started on the first victory of the season and ending with what we hope is a happy ending.


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From: trigger57 4:04 pm
To: scarolina (86 of 105)
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it cain't hurt none

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From: trigger57 4:07 pm
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at least that was 5 pitches for Inge

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From: bondlander05 4:12 pm
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Detroit Tigers
Lineup
Brandon Inge CF
Placido Polanco 2B
Gary Sheffield DH
Magglio Ordonez RF
Miguel Cabrera 3B
Carlos Guillen 1B
Edgar Renteria SS
Ivan Rodriguez C
Marcus Thames LF

Starting Pitcher
Nate Robertson P


Boston Red Sox
Lineup
Julio Lugo SS
Dustin Pedroia 2B
David Ortiz DH
Manny Ramirez LF
Kevin Youkilis 3B
J.D. Drew RF
Coco Crisp CF
Sean Casey 1B
Kevin Cash C

STARTING PITCHER
Tim Wakefield p


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From: trigger57 4:13 pm
To: ALL (89 of 105)
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so much for the 1st

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From: trigger57 4:21 pm
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nice double play

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From: scarolina 4:31 pm
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Other than Carlos, everybody in our lineup is batting under.260. Pitiful...
4 are at .200 or under.

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From: trigger57 4:35 pm
To: scarolina (92 of 105)
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at least tonight I can place some of the blame
on Wakefield. The knuckler is nasty tonight.
A bright note are the three base runners.
Sooner or later that will catch up to him.

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From: detroiteagle 4:38 pm
To: scarolina (93 of 105)
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[SARCASM] Its still early in the season!!! [SARCASM]

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From: trigger57 4:41 pm
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so far so good from robo

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From: scarolina 4:48 pm
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I know! It's not our pitching that got us into this mess! Go figure!

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From: patigerfan 4:51 pm
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"K"abrera

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From: patigerfan 4:54 pm
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bases loaded...one out...0 runs...pathetic

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From: trigger57 4:55 pm
To: patigerfan (98 of 105)
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I don't think he's ever faced a knuckle ball pitcher.
It can be maddening.

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From: trigger57 4:56 pm
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the good thing about it is that wakefield won't last much longer

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From: tigersfanatl 4:57 pm
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I love the patience the hitters have shown tonight. However, they're not picking up Wakefield's pitches.

I say if we can't get any runs before the 5th inning, we're going to lose.

From: scarolina 5:00 pm
To: trigger57 (101 of 157)
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But what's his excuse for all the other pitchers he's faced???

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From: northrnfan 5:01 pm
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Way to step up and just put the ball in play there KKabrera.

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From: trigger57 5:02 pm
To: tigersfanatl (103 of 157)
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yeah, that ball is moving all over the place, however
I still like our chances at this point. the sox ain't
exactly burning up the bases either.

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From: trigger57 5:04 pm
To: scarolina (104 of 157)
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if i had to hazzard a guess, he's pressing. what
else could it be. he does have a consistent
track record. it's the whole team thing
that has be befuddled

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From: tigersfanatl 5:04 pm
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Nate's getting the K's too. But he gets Papi & ManRam next inning.

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From: trigger57 5:07 pm
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finally a hit

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From: trigger57 5:09 pm
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and we got one

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From: scarolina 5:10 pm
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We can always count on some passed balls by the knuckler.

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From: trigger57 5:11 pm
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and now two

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From: scarolina 5:12 pm
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Maybe Polly has finally awakened!

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From: patigerfan 5:13 pm
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ump has a very large strike zone

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From: catbox09 5:13 pm
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That sac fly ties Inge for 19th all-time on the Tigers list

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From: tigersfanatl 5:18 pm
To: patigerfan (113 of 157)
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Not really.

Tigers are taking a lot of close pitches for balls.

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From: trigger57 5:21 pm
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typical robo...can't stand prosperity

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From: scarolina 5:22 pm
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Nate don't lose it now!

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From: scarolina 5:25 pm
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He didn't listen...

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From: tigersfanatl 5:25 pm
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2 blunders there.

1. Robertson for being out of control.

2. Guillen for cutting that off. Ramirez was a dead duck.

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From: catbox09 5:26 pm
To: scarolina (118 of 157)
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<He sucks. Oh wait, he's going to win 20 games. LMAO.

8.1 IP so far and we've scored him 7 runs. I guess that isn't enough.

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From: trigger57 5:28 pm
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i'd put him in the bullpen

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From: patigerfan 5:29 pm
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he belongs in the bullpen...only three good innings

From: trigger57 5:31 pm
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man that p*_sses me off

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From: patigerfan 5:31 pm
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time for nate to exit

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From: scarolina 5:31 pm
To: tigersfanatl (123 of 157)
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Same old Nate...

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From: catbox09 5:31 pm
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And there goes the tie.

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From: catbox09 5:32 pm
To: scarolina (125 of 157)
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He's going to win 20 games though! Where's natewins20 now?

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From: trigger57 5:32 pm
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and the two bb are what started it off. typical robo

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From: patigerfan 5:33 pm
To: catbox09 (127 of 157)
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guess we have to wait till he gets 100 pitches cause that's the leyland system

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From: bballdogg 5:33 pm
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Tigers need to get the runs back in the 5th. If Wakefield makes it through five and Francona goes to his pen, you're looking at 1-8.

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From: catbox09 5:33 pm
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Well we get him 2 and the very next inning he gives back 4. That's all he does.

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From: patigerfan 5:34 pm
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20 minutes and counting for half an inning

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From: tigersfanatl 5:35 pm
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As far as I am concerned, Nate can join Grilli, Bazardo & Miner out of Detroit.

I'm sick of him.

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From: scarolina 5:35 pm
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Where are so many of them who have abandoned the bandwagon?

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From: Mr Wert 5:36 pm
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Same 'ol...same 'ol.

Nate just can't avoid the walks/big inning.

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From: catbox09 5:37 pm
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tigerfanatl wrote:

As far as I am concerned, Nate can join Grilli, Bazardo & Miner out of Detroit.

That's fine by me!

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From: ktpinnacle 5:39 pm
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Nate's brain fails him everytime. He simply can't stay focused for 9 innings. What did he have - 40 pitches that inning?

And Cabrera can't hit Wakefield.

And he pulls a hammy - nice.

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From: patigerfan 5:39 pm
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can the batting champ hit it out of the infield????

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From: scarolina 5:40 pm
To: tigersfanatl (137 of 157)
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All I'd keep of the whole lot: Justin and Kenny.

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From: trigger57 5:41 pm
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c'mon jim go get cabrera

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From: patigerfan 5:42 pm
To: ktpinnacle (139 of 157)
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no excuse for a 24 year old professional athlete to have sore muscles this early in the season

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From: tigersfanatl 5:44 pm
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Cold weather...........pulled muscle. It happens.

From: ktpinnacle 5:44 pm
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When is Granderson scheduled to return?

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From: trigger57 5:45 pm
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a pulled hamstring can happen to anyone anytime, and it
takes awhile for it to heal

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From: trigger57 5:46 pm
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have we got anybody up in the bp yet

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From: patigerfan 5:47 pm
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just poor conditioning in the offseason...and too much weight on the hips

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From: scarolina 5:47 pm
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I am amazed Nate's still in!

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From: patigerfan 5:48 pm
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anybody keeping track of how many full counts this makes?

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From: scarolina 5:48 pm
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Anybody tried the chatroom on gameday?

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From: trigger57 5:48 pm
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thank gawd for hustle and greed

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From: tigersfanatl 5:51 pm
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Is that why we don't have a GDT thread and this is our unofficial thread today?

And is anybody on the "chat?"

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From: scarolina 5:55 pm
To: tigersfanatl (150 of 167)
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I had the bright idea to use the same "lucky" thread as yesterday. I was in the chatroom but too many trolls were on and a Tiger fan said, "All Tiger fans go to section 33" and I couldn't figure out how.

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From: scarolina 5:57 pm
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Big Papi batting .083.

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From: catbox09 6:04 pm
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<Nate Robertson...pitching like crap.

Detroit Tigers...hitting like crap.

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From: catbox09 6:07 pm
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NOW PITCHING: Zachary Charles Miner

C'mon Zach!

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From: tigersfanatl 6:08 pm
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Same junk again.....we're putting runners on but nobody can get them in.

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From: tigersfanatl 6:09 pm
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Great! We take out Roberston for Right-handed Robertson.

7-2 Red Sox tonight.

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From: trigger57 6:10 pm
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if ever we needed a dp

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From: tigersfanatl 6:13 pm
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Miner nails Casey. 2 out.

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From: trigger57 6:23 pm
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maggs gets his first...i thot he might be timing that
change up

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From: tigersfanatl 6:26 pm
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Miggy missed by a few inches earlier in the game too. Looked like he beat out the Youkilis throw too.

Interesting stat: Magglio is hitting over .400 with nobody on base, but like under. 143 with runners on.

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From: trigger57 6:30 pm
To: tigersfanatl (160 of 167)
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i thought a couple of those bang bang plays at first could have gone our way

From: scarolina 6:31 pm
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IF we can come back, we need to use the same thread tomorrow. If not, the scrap heap.

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From: tigersfanatl 6:34 pm
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The Cabrera one should have.

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From: tigersfanatl 6:35 pm
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Looks like I might have to chug again if they lose tonight.

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From: scarolina 6:37 pm
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And I'll have to zone out on donuts.

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From: trigger57 6:44 pm
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one hitter two long jim

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From: tigersfanatl 6:47 pm
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Should have taken him out in the 6th and let Beltran go in the 7th.

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From: scarolina 6:50 pm
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It hardly matters. One's no better than the other.

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From: ktpinnacle 6:53 pm
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Do we have anyone who can throw a d@mn strike?


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From: trigger57 6:53 pm
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what is it about our pitchers and throwing strikes

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From: tigersfanatl 6:53 pm
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Was about to say, Beltran looks somewhat decent, but he just walked Crisp.

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From: tigersfanatl 6:55 pm
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Looks like we're getting that new thread going tomorrow v. the White Sox.

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From: trigger57 6:55 pm
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of course the walks come home

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From: scarolina 6:55 pm
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No.

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From: ktpinnacle 6:56 pm
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Glad Sean is happy to see us.

Couldn't happen to a nicer guy.

10 hits and 7 walks - great performance pitchers!

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From: tigersfanatl 6:57 pm
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You know what, for sh*ts & giggles, throw in Grilli & let's see how much of a train wreck we can make this game turn out.

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From: scarolina 6:57 pm
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I knew I was grasping at straws with the "lucky" thread. But there's nothing left to grasp!

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From: tigersfanatl 7:04 pm
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Jeez, runners on 1st & 3rd with no out.

Thanks Miner.

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From: catbox09 7:10 pm
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Polanco has 1 career GS - 4/23/00 off Scott Karl

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From: scarolina 7:10 pm
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Are we coming back???

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From: scarolina 7:11 pm
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What is happening!!!

From: zerocharlyfox 7:12 pm
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Not with Sheff hitting into DP's we're not.

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From: scarolina 7:13 pm
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Thanks Sheff.

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From: tigersfanatl 7:16 pm
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Need a heart transplant for the heart of the order.

Either that or finally pull the plug on the Sheffield hitting 3rd/Cabrera hitting 5th ordeal. It's a joke.

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From: bondlander05 7:17 pm
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Looks like 1-8. Paplebon closes games.

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From: catbox09 7:18 pm
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Sheffield with a clutch GIDP costs us a run. Ordonez flies out (would've been a SF if not for the GIDP). Oh well.

1-8 here we come!

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From: tigersfanatl 7:19 pm
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And Baztardo is on the mound.

1-8 GUARANTEED!

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From: scarolina 7:27 pm
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We actually could beat the '03 record for losses.

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From: tigersfanatl 7:29 pm
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PULL BAZARDO!!!!

It's official: Leyland concedes tonight's game.

Then again, he did that when he put in Miner.

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From: trigger57 7:29 pm
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that won't happen, but it won't be the magical year we wanted

and why is bazardo still on the mound after he has loaded the bases

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From: Mr Wert 7:31 pm
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Please, Leyland....don't tell us we have a good BP. Very mediorcre. Please throw strikes.

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From: trigger57 7:31 pm
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thanks Jim!

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From: tigersfanatl 7:32 pm
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Just for the white flag purpose, put in Grilli. I mean it would make the trio of terror complete.

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From: scarolina 7:32 pm
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I see no reason for hope. Grandy and Zoom aren't enough.

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From: trigger57 7:33 pm
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this is absolute cr#_p, absolute cr#_p and I don't want to hear
about how good a team we could be from Leyland.

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From: trigger57 7:33 pm
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he would probably pitch well considering that he
couldn't really screw it up

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From: ty mccobb 7:34 pm
To: scarolina (196 of 203)
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Hey...here is what we expected...deep down.

Most of the hitters hitting and a TERRIBLE pitching staff.

Chuck Hernandez needs to do SOMETHING...but, what can he do. I think a bunch of those guys are just no good. Miner? Beltran? Bazardo? I don't think any of these guys will amount to anything.

All the records we thought we were going to set this year...who'd a thunk it'd be the 'most walks by a pitching staff in a season' record?

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From: scarolina 7:35 pm
To: Mr Wert unread (197 of 203)
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Mediocre??? Mediocre??? This pen is HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE HORRIBLE

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From: catbox09 7:35 pm
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Score 2, give up 4 the next half inning.

Score 1, give up 4 the next half inning.

Score 3, give up 4 the next half inning.

Score 0, give up 0 the next half inning (5 times).

STOP SCORING!

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From: ty mccobb 7:36 pm
To: Mr Wert unread (199 of 203)
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Mediocre? How about worst in the AL? Tie for worst (w/Atl) in the ML.

Proof is in the pudding. We are ALL placing all our hopes on Cruceta.

I hope he is sufficient. These guys are terrible.

(btw....I think Bazardo's era equals his age, right now)

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From: scarolina 7:37 pm
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How in <HELL did we win yesterday??????????????????

From: tigersfanatl 7:38 pm
To: scarolina (201 of 211)
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If you dump Bazardo, Grilli, and Miner (baseball's answer to the 3 Stooges), bullpen is fine.

But we have those dimwits in the pen so we have a cra.ptacular bullpen

I've had enough watching this debacle. JL should look himself in the mirror after tonight. Even an idiot could not have messed this one up worse than what he's done.

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From: catbox09 7:38 pm
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ERAs of the guys we've seen today...

Robertson: 7.84
Miner: 9.00
Beltran: 5.40
Bazardo: 24.00

That's a winning recipe if you ask me!

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From: ty mccobb 7:39 pm
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The good news? Bazardo just lowered his ERA 3 full points with that last pitch.


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From: scarolina 7:40 pm
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Casey K'd on purpose. He took pity on us.

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From: catbox09 7:41 pm
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This is why all managers should be fired:

WHY is Papelbon pitching with a SIX run lead? He gets a save, but come on!

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From: ty mccobb 7:41 pm
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The worst hitting teams must look ahead on their schedule to when they will play us.
With this pitching staff and these ridiculous walks, they are a hitters dream.
We could get anyone out of a hitting slump. Maybe we should have played ourselves, several days ago.

...and Sheff needs to get knocked down the order.

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From: scarolina 7:41 pm
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My cookbook says that's the recipe for mudpie.

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From: ktpinnacle 7:44 pm
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Cabrera has a hole in his swing. Anything inside and he's toast.

Just got back from dinner. Very impressive ERAs, guys. Has EVERY person that's walked in this game for them scored?


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From: scarolina 7:44 pm
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Dontcha know it's the cold? It's only 60 in Boston.

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From: tigersfanatl 7:45 pm
To: catbox09 (210 of 211)
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Actually, Papelbon came in when it was 8-6 and Magglio up with a runner on 3rd. He'll still get a save, believe it or not.

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From: catbox09 7:49 pm
To: tigersfanatl unread (211 of 211)
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<I know he will - that's why he's in there and that's why the save is the most moronic stat in baseball. It'd serve him right if this inning took forever and they couldn't use him tomorrow when they need him.

EDIT: We lose!