GDT: 4/18/07 Royals @ Tigers

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From: bostig 4/18/2007 2:11 pm
To: ALL (1 of 65)
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I can't talk much at all, because I'm working, but I'll start this thread just in case anyone wants to add something.

lineup for Det. is
Granderson
Polanco
Sheffield
Guillen
Casey
Monroe
Thames
Rabelo
Inge

Both Bondo and Meche are pitching their A games today. Hope it doesn't turn out to be another nail-biter. At the end of 4 innings, the pitchcount, strikes and balls stats for Bondo and Meche are 50, 32, 18 and 49, 32, 17 . Neck and neck.

Bondo's given up 1 hit, no runs, no walks, 4Ks ; Meche 3 hits, no runs, 1 walk (to Rabelo of all people!) 4Ks.

A real pitchers duel brewin'

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From: tiger3boy 4/18/2007 2:32 pm
To: bostig (2 of 65)
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Gotta love afternoon games...the thread gets a little bare.

I had to leave my desk for a minute, and I have no idea how they scored the run, but I am glad they did so.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 2:46 pm
To: tiger3boy (4 of 65)
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Inge walks
Granderson singles
Polanco reaches on error
Guillen IBB
Monroe singles

not a lot of hard it balls given up by either pitcher

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 2:47 pm
To: ALL (5 of 65)
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Bonderman k's out Gordon (his 6th) to end the Royals threat.

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From: bostig 4/18/2007 2:51 pm
To: ALL (6 of 65)
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Big 6th for the Tigs! Pitchers duel is off! Went like this:

Inge walks
Granderson singles
Polly reaches 1st on a force out attempt and error
Inge scores (1)
Granderson to 3rd
Polly to 2nd
Meche intentionally walks Guillen
Bases loaded
Casey pops out
Monroe singles ! (grounder to LF, E. Brown)
Granderson scoress! (2)
Polly scores! (3)
Guillen to 2nd
Thames strikes out to end the inning.

Lookin better. Much better! 3 runs on two hits and an error! Polly is a magic error magnet! Go Polly!


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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 2:53 pm
To: bostig (7 of 65)
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Granderson doubles, but 2 out in the 7th.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 2:54 pm
To: ALL (8 of 65)
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Polanco flies out, end of 7th.

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From: bostig 4/18/2007 2:59 pm
To: catbox9 (9 of 65)
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That KC run was from a German double off of Bonderman followed by a Sweeney single.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:16 pm
To: ALL (10 of 65)
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3-2 now, tying run for KC at 2nd against Jones in the 9th. One out.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:16 pm
To: Jdog21 (12 of 65)
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Jones always makes me nervous.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:18 pm
To: ALL (13 of 65)
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Tying run now on 3rd with another runner at 1st, still only one out.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:19 pm
To: ALL (14 of 65)
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Tie score, 3-3. First blown save of the year for Jones.

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:22 pm
To: Jdog21 (16 of 65)
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we need zumaya as our closer. I know this is the first blown save for jones, but come on, its against the freaking royals!!!

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:24 pm
To: ALL (19 of 65)
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Monroe, Thames, Rabelo due up for the Tigers in the 9th.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:25 pm
To: ALL (20 of 65)
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Base hit for Monroe!

From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:26 pm
To: ALL (21 of 65)
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Infante pinch hits for Thames.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:27 pm
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Force out at 2nd on failed bunt attempt. One out, Infante on 1st. Pudge pinch hits for Rabelo.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:29 pm
To: ALL (23 of 65)
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Pudge K's, two out. C'mon Inge!

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:30 pm
To: ALL (25 of 65)
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Inge K's. To the 10th we go.

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:34 pm
To: ALL (27 of 65)
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Buck, Pena, DeJesus due up for KC. HR by Buck, 4-3 Royals, Jones has now given up 3 runs.

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:35 pm
To: Jdog21 (28 of 65)
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THUG crooked cap blows it!!! When is leyland ever gonna learn this guy is horrible??

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:36 pm
To: ALL (30 of 65)
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Send this no good piece of trash to double a

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From: Zumayayaya 4/18/2007 3:36 pm
To: bondy38 (31 of 65)
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rodney is overrated, but he doesnt su.ck.

he pitches good when we have a lead, but not so much when its close or tied.


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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:37 pm
To: ALL (33 of 65)
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Opps, Jones gave up 2, Rodney 1 so far.

Sign me up for the "Get rid of Rodney Campaign."

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:38 pm
To: Zumayayaya (34 of 65)
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In case you havent realized, if we dont come back and win this game, rodney is solely responsible for half of the team losses. I cant stand wathing him out there with his crooked hat. He is an embarrassment.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:38 pm
To: Jdog21 (35 of 65)
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Are there any players on the Tigers that you do like?

Forgive me if I'm mistaken - but you dislike the following players:

Jose Mesa
Sean Casey
Fernando Rodney
Brandon Inge
....who else?

Monroe? Thames? Granderson? Polonco? Rodriguez?


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From: umtigerfan 4/18/2007 3:41 pm
To: ALL (38 of 65)
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Why does Leyland insist on putting "Crooked Hat" in the game? What has he shown to warrant such responsibility? He has only proved one thing in the past two years....you can't trust him. At least with Walker, he could get someone out; Rodney has no clue.

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From: bostig 4/18/2007 3:41 pm
To: ALL (39 of 65)
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The bad news was Jonesy today in the 9th where he gave up two runs to tie the score 3-3. Went like this:

De Jesus walks on 7 pitches
German grounds out softly to Inge moving De Jesus to 2nd
Teahen doubles on the 5th pitch to RF (Thames) scoring DeJesus (1)
Sweeney singles on the 4th pitch moving Teahen to 3rd
Gload grounds into a force out, scoring Teahen (2)
Gordon walked on 4 straight pitches.
E Brown grounds out to end the inning

(and start the nail-biting!) DA.MN!

I wonder if the flu is in the clubhouse.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:42 pm
To: Jdog21 (40 of 65)
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Ok - so how about Ordonez, Sheffield? Do you dislike them too?

Plus - "we" don't play the Royals. The Tigers are playing the Royals. "We" wouldn't hit .100 in the major leagues.

From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:43 pm
To: umtigerfan (41 of 65)
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zumaya is the only person in the bullpen with a pair of balls.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:44 pm
To: bondy38 (42 of 65)
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What, are you like the team doctor or something?

So what is your suggestion - pitch Zumaya every day until his James Andrew's appointment?

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From: shredfitz 4/18/2007 3:46 pm
To: bondy38 (43 of 65)
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Bondy, how exactly is Rodney all to blame for a loss when it was Jones who blew the save?

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:47 pm
To: Number3 (44 of 65)
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It doesnt take a genius to figure out if zumaya pitches in the 9th instead of the 8th inning, this game is over.

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:49 pm
To: shredfitz (45 of 65)
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rodney's record will be 1-3. Tigers record will be 9-6. Rodney accounts for half of the team losses.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:49 pm
To: bondy38 (46 of 65)
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Who pitches tomorrow?

Jones has been fine all year - how did you know that today was going to be the day that he blew a save?

Are you suggesting that Zumaya pitch the 8th and 9th inning for every game that the Tigers have a lead?

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:50 pm
To: bondy38 (47 of 65)
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By that same logic Ledezma has accounted for 1/3 of the Tigers wins.


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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:51 pm
To: Number3 (48 of 65)
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DD needs to make some moves. Yes, jones has been good until today. However, his nickname isnt rollercoaster todd for nothing. are you really gonna trust jones when we really need him down the stretch?

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From: saginawmi 4/18/2007 3:52 pm
To: Number3 (49 of 65)
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That's okay. They gave one away, just like they've stolen three games this year. Now, they have a day and half to stew over it, get ticked off, take Bondo out to breakfast, lunch and dinner to APOLOGIZE, AGAIN, and come back angry Friday and sweep the SOX!

GOOO TIGERS!!!!

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From: bobrob2004 4/18/2007 3:53 pm
To: ALL (51 of 65)
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Off day tomorrow, Durbin is going try to pitch on Friday.

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From: bondy38 4/18/2007 3:53 pm
To: Number3 (52 of 65)
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you obviously know nothing about baseball. rodney has allowed the game winning runs three times already in this very young season. His era is around 9. He is a waste of space in the bullpen.

Plus, the way he wears his hat is an embarassment to the tiger organization.

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From: shredfitz 4/18/2007 3:54 pm
To: bondy38 (53 of 65)
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Okay, looking at it that way. However, today's game was a blown save by Todd Jones that is also part of the problem, also the Tiger's lackluster offense should shoulder some of the blame. Team sport, don't forget that.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:55 pm
To: Jdog21 (54 of 65)
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Are you kidding? Most people (you included) - can't hit a 90 mph pitch in a batting cage. When they know where it is coming and what speed it will be at. Much less hit successfully against a major league pitcher.

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From: saginawmi 4/18/2007 3:56 pm
To: bobrob2004 (55 of 65)
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Oh no. Durbin against the Sox offense? (Durbin against any offense?) Let's just hope they don't break out of their slumber. Go Texas tonight.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 3:58 pm
To: bondy38 (56 of 65)
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I must know nothing about baseball. What is your suggestion instead of having Rodney pitch? Should the Tigers throw Zumaya every game? Are there better options in the bullpen? Last year Rodney and Jones were a huge part of a very successful baseball team that made it to the World Series on the strength of their pitching (bullpen included). Based on 15 games this year - we should do what? Get rid of those two? I must know nothing about baseball.

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From: shibboleth 4/18/2007 3:59 pm
To: shredfitz (57 of 65)
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If you don't mind my chiming in here. let it be said, however, that this was the first time this season Jones blew a save. He was overdue for that. But this has certainly not been the first time this year that Rodney has let the team down.

With Rodney, it is not a question as to whether or not he has good stuff. He does. But I seriously question whether he can consistently handle the pressure of tight games. Since about midseason last year his ERA has been very high after starting off so well. But are his pitches any less effective? I think they're just as good as ever. But despite being among the top 6 in hits per nine innings and batting average last year, he is nowhere close to being among the better ERA pitchers among AL relievers. Translated: Rodney tends to lose focus, tends to overpitch when he has two strikes on batters, and is just not a blood 'n guts kind of pitcher. It seems to be all mental with him.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 4:00 pm
To: bondy38 (58 of 65)
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He did fine last year - and his nickname was still rollercoaster then.

What moves should DD make? Right now bullpen arms are at a premium. Anyone up for trading Cameron Maybin for some relievers?

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From: shibboleth 4/18/2007 4:04 pm
To: Number3 (59 of 65)
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I think people need to get a grip about our relief pitching. Todd Jone blew a save today after getting 6-7 saves in this young season. It does happen even to the best of them. Just a few days ago Mariano Rivera got lit up by the Tampa Bay Rays for 3 runs. He blew the save and got the loss. Now Rodney is a different situation because he's been getting lit up a little too often. But otherwise, I think our relief pitching is in very good shape.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 4:06 pm
To: shibboleth (60 of 65)
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I agree with you.

From: scarolina 4/18/2007 4:07 pm
To: bondy38 (61 of 65)
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If Rodney knew how to pitch, nobody would care if he wore his cap on his @$$.

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From: umtigerfan 4/18/2007 4:07 pm
To: ALL (62 of 65)
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Tough game no matter how you look at it. When a team plays 162 games, there are going to be games like this. It is just a shame because Bonderman pitches a three-hit gem and he does not get the decision; and worse the Tigers lose the game. It's difficult to blame anyone person, even Jones because he has been very good this season so far. Even Mariano Rivera blows a save every now and then.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 4:09 pm
To: scarolina (63 of 65)
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Actually - I would. I do not care for how Rodney wears his cap. I believe that it is disrespectful to the Detroit Tigers Organization and to the game of Baseball.

The problem is - who is suppose to correct this? Jim Leyland. Why hasn't he? Good question.

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From: shibboleth 4/18/2007 4:10 pm
To: Number3 (64 of 65)
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Why don't you ask Eric Wedge, Cleveland's manager, why he doesn't correct C.C. Sabathia for wearing his cap the same way? I mean, really, some battles are not worth fighting over.

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From: Number3 4/18/2007 4:14 pm
To: shibboleth (65 of 65)
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I have the same issue with CC. I feel that the players have an obligation to represent themselves in a manor fitting of the organization. If you want to dress like a clown - go play for the White Sox. (After all, they did wear shorts a couple of years ago)