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tigersaint Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 8973 Age : 62 Location : Other, but I LIKE it here!! Favorite Current Tiger(s) : All of 'em, except the BAD ones!! Reputation : 25 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:42 am | |
| I kind of like this one:
Granderson Polanco Cabrera Ordonez Guillen Sheffield Rodriguez Jones Renteria
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bobrob2004 DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 10646 Age : 39 Location : Warren, MI Reputation : 12 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:43 am | |
| I like this one:
Renteria Polanco Cabrera Ordonez Guillen Sheffield Granderson Pudge Jones | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 57424 Age : 65 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : JV, Hunter, Jackson, Porcello, Avila (really ALL of em!) Reputation : 20 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:55 am | |
| 6 Runs per game lineup! From detroittigersweblog A couple weeks ago D-Town Baseball took the Bill James projections for 2008 and crammed them into the Baseball Musings lineup optimizer. Well, now that the Tigers lineup is drool-worthy I figured it would be worth updating. One of popular iteration of the lineup is:
- Granderson
- Polanco
- Cabrera
- Ordonez
- Sheffield
- Guillen
- Renteria
- Rodriguez
- Jones
Such a lineup would yield 5.831 runs per game. Tantalizing. Even the worst ordering of players (Pudge leading off) would produce 5.601 runs per game. The best lineup you ask? That would be 5.970 runs per game. As for the configuration - and I know this would never happen - is:
- Sheffield
- Cabrera
- Polanco
- Granderson
- Ordonez
- Jones
- Guillen
- Rodriguez
- Renteria
Regardless it’s a substantial upgrade from what Eric had found earlier where the lineups ranged from 5.224 to 5.578 runs per game. | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 57424 Age : 65 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : JV, Hunter, Jackson, Porcello, Avila (really ALL of em!) Reputation : 20 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Best Lineups Runs per Game Wed Dec 05, 2007 11:55 am | |
| from http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py Best Lineups Runs per Game |
5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.967 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Polanco | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Polanco | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Renteria | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | Jones | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | Jones | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Sheffield | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Rodriguez | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:30 pm | |
| Our lineup is gonna rock! | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:31 pm | |
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catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 22295 Age : 37 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Justin Verlander Reputation : 17 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 8:50 pm | |
| - gogetemtigers wrote:
- from http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py
- Spoiler:
Best Lineups Runs per Game |
5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.967 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Polanco | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Polanco | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Renteria | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | Jones | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | Jones | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Sheffield | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Rodriguez | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco |
My kind of post! I wish I could manage, I WOULD go with that "most ideal" lineup. Since that's not conventional, here's mine: Granderson Polanco Ordonez Cabrera Sheffield Guillen Renteria Jones Rodriguez Also, we need 6.17 runs per game! I want 1000 runs! | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:06 pm | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 57424 Age : 65 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : JV, Hunter, Jackson, Porcello, Avila (really ALL of em!) Reputation : 20 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:31 pm | |
| - catbox_9 wrote:
- gogetemtigers wrote:
- from http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py
- Spoiler:
Best Lineups Runs per Game |
5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.970 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.967 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Polanco | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.966 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Polanco | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.965 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Renteria | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.963 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.963 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Sheffield | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Granderson | Cabrera | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | Jones | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.962 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | Jones | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Granderson | Jones | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.961 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Ordonez | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Polanco | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Ordonez | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Cabrera | Sheffield | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Jones | Guillen | Rodriguez | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Ordonez | Guillen | Rodriguez | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Ordonez | Cabrera | Polanco | Granderson | Sheffield | Rodriguez | Guillen | Jones | Renteria | 5.960 | Sheffield | Cabrera | Renteria | Granderson | Guillen | Jones | Ordonez | Rodriguez | Polanco | 5.960 | Sheffield | Ordonez | Renteria | Cabrera | Guillen | Jones | Granderson | Rodriguez | Polanco |
My kind of post! I wish I could manage, I WOULD go with that "most ideal" lineup. Since that's not conventional, here's mine:
Granderson Polanco Ordonez Cabrera Sheffield Guillen Renteria Jones Rodriguez
Also, we need 6.17 runs per game! I want 1000 runs! You can use that link and enter your data to see the runs results. It is a neat tool. http://www.baseballmusings.com/cgi-bin/LineupAnalysis.py | |
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catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 22295 Age : 37 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Justin Verlander Reputation : 17 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:33 pm | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:33 pm | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:41 pm | |
| catbox_9
My kind of post! I wish I could manage, I WOULD go with that "most ideal" lineup. Since that's not conventional, here's mine:
Granderson Polanco Ordonez Cabrera Sheffield Guillen Renteria Jones Rodriguez
Also, we need 6.17 runs per game! I want 1000 runs!
Runs per game for above lineup: 5.832. | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:42 pm | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 27687 Age : 45 Location : Trashy Park Michigan Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Dontrelle Willis, Brandon Inge, Maggs, Verlander, Granderson, Pudge and Todd Jones Reputation : 9 Registration date : 2007-10-06
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:42 pm | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 57424 Age : 65 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : JV, Hunter, Jackson, Porcello, Avila (really ALL of em!) Reputation : 20 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:54 pm | |
| Data used in analyser
Player0=Granderson OBA0=+0.359 Slug=+0.523
Player1=Polanco OBA1=+0.360 Slug1=+0.423
Player2=Ordonez OBA2=+0.383 Slug2=+0.517
Player3=Cabrera OBA3=0.411 Slug3=0.579
Player4=Sheffield OBA4=+0.384 Slug4=+0.488
Player5=Guillen OBA5=+0.368 Slug5=+0.466
Player6=Renteria OBA6=+0.359 Slug6=+0.421
Player7=Jones OBA7=0.332 Slug7=0.433
Player8=Rodriguez OBA8=+0.316 Slug8=+0.431 | |
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catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 22295 Age : 37 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Justin Verlander Reputation : 17 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:55 pm | |
| This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). | |
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bobrob2004 DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 10646 Age : 39 Location : Warren, MI Reputation : 12 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 9:59 pm | |
| - catbox_9 wrote:
- This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). So, basically you can't screw up the lineup? | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 57424 Age : 65 Location : Eastern Ohio, near Wheeling WV Favorite Current Tiger(s) : JV, Hunter, Jackson, Porcello, Avila (really ALL of em!) Reputation : 20 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:01 pm | |
| - bobrob2004 wrote:
- catbox_9 wrote:
- This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). So, basically you can't screw up the lineup? Worst Lineups Runs per Game123456789 5.601 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.602 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Polanco | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Renteria | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Polanco | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Jones | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Renteria | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.605 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Renteria | Polanco | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.605 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Polanco | Renteria | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.606 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Jones | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.606 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Jones | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.607 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Renteria | Polanco | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Polanco | Renteria | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Guillen | Sheffield | Polanco | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.609 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Guillen | Sheffield | Renteria | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.610 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Sheffield | Polanco | Jones | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.610 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Sheffield | Renteria | Jones | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Sheffield | Polanco | Jones | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Sheffield | Renteria | Jones | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Polanco | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Renteria | Polanco | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Polanco | Renteria | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Polanco | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Renteria | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Renteria | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | | |
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catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 22295 Age : 37 Location : Paso Robles, California Favorite Current Tiger(s) : Justin Verlander Reputation : 17 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:01 pm | |
| - bobrob2004 wrote:
- catbox_9 wrote:
- This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). So, basically you can't screw up the lineup? I don't think so! Just don't rest Cabrera for days at a time to play Inge! | |
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bobrob2004 DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
Number of posts : 10646 Age : 39 Location : Warren, MI Reputation : 12 Registration date : 2007-10-05
| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Wed Dec 05, 2007 10:03 pm | |
| - gogetemtigers wrote:
- bobrob2004 wrote:
- catbox_9 wrote:
- This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). So, basically you can't screw up the lineup?
Worst Lineups Runs per Game123456789 5.601 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.602 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Polanco | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Renteria | Sheffield | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.603 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Polanco | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Jones | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Renteria | Guillen | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.604 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.605 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Renteria | Polanco | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.605 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Polanco | Renteria | Sheffield | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.606 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Jones | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.606 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Jones | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.607 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Guillen | Polanco | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Renteria | Polanco | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Guillen | Polanco | Renteria | Ordonez | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Renteria | Guillen | Sheffield | Polanco | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.608 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Guillen | Renteria | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.609 | Rodriguez | Jones | Ordonez | Polanco | Guillen | Sheffield | Renteria | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.610 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Sheffield | Polanco | Jones | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.610 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Sheffield | Renteria | Jones | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Renteria | Sheffield | Polanco | Jones | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Polanco | Sheffield | Renteria | Jones | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Polanco | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Renteria | Polanco | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.611 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Polanco | Renteria | Guillen | Ordonez | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Renteria | Jones | Sheffield | Polanco | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Guillen | Ordonez | Polanco | Jones | Renteria | Sheffield | Cabrera | Granderson | 5.612 | Rodriguez | Jones | Sheffield | Renteria | Polanco | Ordonez | Guillen | Cabrera | Granderson | Moral of the story: Don't lead off Pudge! | |
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GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Thu Dec 06, 2007 9:16 am | |
| - catbox_9 wrote:
- bobrob2004 wrote:
- catbox_9 wrote:
- This is a fun thought. If everyone matched their career highs (I'm dreaming, but still), we could really be crazy:
7.166 runs per game!! That's 1160 runs!
2003 Tigers gave up 928 runs. Score 1160 and give up 928 and you'll be expected to go 97-65.
Our pitching is nowhere near 2003 bad! Last year we gave up 797 runs.
Let's be more realistic and say we score the 944 runs the original post is projecting and give up 797 we'd go 93-69. That will probably get us in the playoffs. If we can up the ante to 1000 runs we'll win 98 games allowing 797 runs.
(All those W-L projections are based on the Pythagorean W-L estimator). So, basically you can't screw up the lineup? I don't think so! Just don't rest Cabrera for days at a time to play Inge! Definitely a WORST CASE scenario!! lol | |
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gs78 Detroit Tiger
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| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Fri Dec 07, 2007 1:44 pm | |
| yeah.....go tigers.
How original. | |
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bobrob2004 DTF1 MODERATOR Detroit Tiger
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| Subject: Re: Tigers Batting Order Thu Jan 10, 2008 3:51 pm | |
| Tigers' Leyland juggles lineup options Lynn Henning / The Detroit News
How will Jim Leyland manage what appears to be an abundance of offensive talent in 2008?
There's still plenty of time for the Tigers manager to decide ahead of the season opener against Kansas City on March 31 at Comerica Park.
He must somehow figure out where to ideally place in his order the likes of Curtis Granderson, Placido Polanco, Gary Sheffield, Magglio Ordonez, Miguel Cabrera, Carlos Guillen, Edgar Renteria, Jacque Jones and Pudge Rodriguez.
"Everybody's making way too much of it," Leyland said this week as he prepared to join the team for this weekend's TigerFest and for the caravan that hits the road Sunday. "It's pretty obvious how it looks. I don't think it's going to be anything mind-boggling.
"Everybody in Detroit pretty much has the same lineup I have."
Leyland understands that most armchair managers will have center fielder Granderson at leadoff, followed by second baseman Polanco.
Batting third will be either the incumbent, Sheffield (designated hitter), or Cabrera, the 24-year-old slugging third baseman. Ordonez (right field) should remain at cleanup, with either Cabrera or Sheffield batting fifth, at least on most days.
Guillen, who is moving to first base, most likely will be Leyland's regular choice at the sixth spot. The team's new shortstop, Renteria, is expected to bat seventh, just ahead of Jones, the new left fielder, and two spots ahead of Rodriguez, Detroit's catcher who will assume the unusual status of being a No. 9 hitter destined for the Hall of Fame.
"There's no secret to it," Leyland said of his batting order, which some observers believe is capable of producing 1,000 runs in 2008, an astounding number only seven big-league teams have reached in a single season. "I just haven't made a decision yet on how I'm going to hit those three guys in the middle. I'm not sure about that yet." | |
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