US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe
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Subject: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:06 pm
FAA: All passengers, crew of jet that crashed in N.Y.'s Husdon River safe
By DAVID CARUSO • Associated Press • January 15, 2009
NEW YORK — The Federal Aviation Administration says all passengers and crew on US Airways Flight 1549, which crashed into the Hudson River in New York, are off the plane and safe.
The plane crashed into the frigid Hudson River this afternoon after striking a bird that disabled two engines, sending 150 on board scrambling onto rescue boats, authorities say. No deaths or serious injuries were immediately reported.
Federal Aviation Administration spokeswoman Laura Brown says the US Airways Flight 1549 had just taken off from LaGuardia Airport en route to Charlotte, N.C., when the crash occurred in the river near 48th Street in midtown Manhattan.
Brown says the plane, an Airbus 320, appears to have hit one or more birds.
A law enforcement official said that authorities are not aware of any deaths and that the passengers do not appear to be seriously injured. The official spoke on condition of anonymity because the rescue was still under way.
The plane was submerged in the icy waters up to the windows. Rescue crews had opened the door and were pulling passengers in yellow life vests from the plane. Several boats surrounded the plane, which appeared to be slowly sinking.
Government officials do not believe the crash is related to terrorism.
“There is no information at this time to indicate that this is a security-related incident,” Homeland Security spokeswoman Laura Keehner said. “We continue to closely monitor the situation which at present is focused on search and rescue.”
Witnesses said the plane’s pilot appeared to guide the plane down.
“I see a commercial airliner coming down, looking like it’s landing right in the water,” said Bob Read, who saw it from his office at the television newsmagazine “Inside Edition.”
“This looked like a controlled descent.”
New York City firefighters and the U.S. Coast Guard are responding to the crash.
“I saw what appeared to be a tail fin of a plane sticking out of the water,” said Erica Schietinger, whose office windows at Chelsea Piers look out over the Hudson. “All the boats have sort of circled the area.”
This report will be updated when more information becomes available.
catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:19 pm
That's good news I guess. Not the plane crash obviously but the 0 fatalities is always good.
Don't be fooled - planes are still the safest way to travel. More people drive on the drive to the airport than on the plane.
GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:52 pm
US Airways Flight 1549 crashes into the Hudson
GoGetEmTigers DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 6:54 pm
US Airways Flight 1549 LaGuardia to Charlotte Crashes in the Hudson, Eyewitness Account from Passenger Alberto Panero
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:14 pm
Wow. It's amazing nobody was hurt!!!
How does a bird make a plane crash?
gdennis59 Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:18 pm
Thats effin crazy, good thing everyones ok.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:21 pm
I wanna be a pilot....
gdennis59 Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:22 pm
I dont.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 7:26 pm
I've been thinking about it for the last few monthes.... It would be a really cool career. You get to travel a lot, you would be helping people to get where they need to be, and you would get to fly (which I love to do). Not to mention they usually get a very high salary.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:17 pm
Free travel, high pay.
What's not to like?
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 8:18 pm
Thats what I was thinking. haha. There are some low points, but the good ones over-shadow those.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:25 pm
I wanted to be an air force pilot, or work for the airlines, in the past. There was such a long wait to get into the air force, in the 1980's, that I said forget it. Also, you do better in the military if you go in with a college education. You enter in as a commissioned officer then.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Thu Jan 15, 2009 9:35 pm
Thanks for posting the links. I could barely hear it downstairs while I was working. At least a (mostly) happy ending to this one...
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:35 am
GoGetEmTigers wrote:
You enter in as a commissioned officer then.
You don't have to....
A few weeks ago an army recruiter came by and talked to me. I said I wasn't at all interested but I was nice enough to listen to what he had to say. I mentioned I could be an officer (I have a degree) and he replied: "While that's true, you don't have to. I'm not able to recruit officers but I can recruit you as a private. Being an enlisted member is probably more rewarding than being an officer. If you stay in the army long enough you can eventually become an officer"
Yeah, that's what I'll do He said he'd contact an officer recruiter but first had to check one thing, while I had a UCLA degree, he wanted to know if I had a high school diploma - that is also required. Unlike most UCLA graduates, I finished high school
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 4:28 am
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A few weeks ago an army recruiter came by and talked to me. I said I wasn't at all interested but I was nice enough to listen to what he had to say. I mentioned I could be an officer (I have a degree) and he replied: "While that's true, you don't have to. I'm not able to recruit officers but I can recruit you as a private. Being an enlisted member is probably more rewarding than being an officer. If you stay in the army long enough you can eventually become an officer"
That recruiter is an !
The idea of entering the service AFTER GRADUATING COLLEGE is so you can use your college time in exchange for all the grunt time you normally have to spend as a private and work yourself up to NON-COMMISSIONED OFFICER. Non-coms get less pay, less goodies than commissioned ones! It was my father, who was in WW2 that suggested college first. He went the non-com route and said there is a BIG DIFFERENCE. The best route is to go to the Air Force Academy, West Point, etc... Then you have all the military training as well as the COMMISSIONED designation.
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Unlike most UCLA graduates, I finished high school
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 12:51 pm
Recruiters are like car salesmen, they get paid if you join. He can't recruit officers but that wasn't going to stop him from trying to recruit me by saying whatever it took.
A Marines recruiter almost managed to recruit my sister's boyfriend by saying that he would almost certainly be stationed in either Paris, Amsterdam, or Hawaii (three places he suggested as cool). I managed to convince him that wasn't happening - how many American troops are stationed in those places?
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:07 pm
I hate flying
Nor do I ever fly
If God meant for me to fly; I would have been born with a pair of wings
Speaking of God
Thank God everyone was safe
It could have been a horrible disaster
catbox_9 DTF1 ADMINISTRATOR Detroit Tiger
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:44 pm
I don't mind flying. I hate landing - not because I'm afraid but rather because it usually hurts my ears...a lot.
Landing in Los Angeles is the worst (which figures, it's LA). Landing in London is the best - no ear pain whatsoever (I've landed there twice, too).
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Fri Jan 16, 2009 2:48 pm
catbox_9 wrote:
Recruiters are like car salesmen, they get paid if you join. He can't recruit officers but that wasn't going to stop him from trying to recruit me by saying whatever it took.
A Marines recruiter almost managed to recruit my sister's boyfriend by saying that he would almost certainly be stationed in either Paris, Amsterdam, or Hawaii (three places he suggested as cool). I managed to convince him that wasn't happening - how many American troops are stationed in those places?
And why do we even have any troops stationed in Paris or Amsterdam?
Last I checked WW2 ended almost 64 years ago
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Sun Jan 18, 2009 4:58 am
Crews hoist plane from Hudson River
By LARRY NEUMEISTER and DAVID B. CARUSO • Associated Press • January 18, 2009
NEW YORK — Salvage crews hoisted a US Airways jetliner from the Hudson River and onto a barge late Saturday, three days after its pilot made what he told investigators was a split-second decision to attempt a water landing to avoid a possibly catastrophic crash over populated areas.
Much of the top half of the aircraft appeared as though it might be ready for takeoff — a contrast with the charred-looking right wing, and the destroyed right engine, which appeared as though the outside had been peeled off.
An emergency slide still hung from the plane; nearby, a compartment door was open, with some luggage still visible inside. A gash extended from the base of the plane toward the windows. And in places, the skin of the aircraft was simply gone.
After a day struggling with the icy waters and the immense weight of the craft, the mood on the shoreline turned festive with the successful operation. Following the long work to secure the plane, people shook hands and investigators took snapshots, while police helicopters hovered overhead.
Crews later retrieved the plane’s black boxes, which were filled with fresh water, packed into blue coolers and were to be sped immediately to Washington.
Earlier Saturday, Capt. Chesley (Sully) Sullenberger told investigators in the minutes he had to decide where to set down the powerless plane Thursday afternoon, he felt it was “too low, too slow” and near too many buildings to go anywhere else, according to the National Transportation Safety Board account of his testimony.
The pilot and his first officer provided their first account to NTSB investigators Saturday of what unfolded inside the cockpit of the US Airways Flight 1549 after it slammed into a flock of birds and lost power in both engines.
Co-pilot Jeff Skiles, who was flying US Airways Flight 1549, saw the birds coming in perfect formation, and made note of it. Sullenberger looked up, and in an instant his windscreen was filled with big, dark-brown birds.
“His instinct was to duck,” said NTSB board member Kitty Higgins, recounting their interview. Then there was a thump, the smell of burning birds, and silence as both aircraft engines cut out.
The account illustrated how quickly things deteriorated after the bump at 3,000 feet, and the pilots’ swift realization that returning to LaGuardia or getting to another airport was impossible.
With both engines out, Higgins said, flight attendants described silence in the cabin, “like being in a library.” A smoky haze and the odor of burning metal or electronics filled the plane.
The blow had come out of nowhere. The NTSB said radar data confirmed that the aircraft intersected a group of “primary targets,” almost certainly birds, as the jet climbed over the Bronx. Those targets had not been on the radar screen of the air traffic controller who approved the departure, Higgins said.
After the bird impact, Sullenberger told investigators he immediately took over flying from his co-pilot and made a series of command decisions.
Returning to LaGuardia, he quickly realized, was out. So was nearby Teterboro Airport, where he had never flown before, and which would require him to take the jet over densely populated northern New Jersey.
“We can’t do it,” he told air traffic controllers. “We’re gonna be in the Hudson.”
The co-pilot kept trying to restart the engines, while checking off emergency landing procedures on a three-page list that the crew normally begins at 35,000 feet.
Sullenberger guided the gliding jet over the George Washington Bridge and looked for a place to land.
Pilots are trained to set down near a ship if they have to ditch, so they can be rescued before sinking, and Sullenberger picked a stretch of water near Manhattan’s commuter ferry terminals. Rescuers arrived within minutes.
It all happened so fast, the crew never threw the aircraft’s “ditch switch,” which seals off vents and holes in the fuselage to make it more seaworthy.
After the hard landing, the crew’s third flight attendant — the only one in the rear of the aircraft — made the decision not to open the back exits, she told NTSB investigators Saturday, the day she was released from the hospital.
Before she could get the rearmost passengers headed for the front of the plane, one woman opened one of the doors a crack, letting water into the cabin. Only once they were near the front exit did the flight attendant feel woozy and realize she had a deep laceration in her leg.
The NTSB said sonar teams may have located the sunken left engine of the plane. Preliminary radar reports identified an object directly below the crash site. Divers originally thought both engines were lost, but realized Saturday that one was still attached. The water had been so dark and murky that they couldn’t see it.
The investigation played out as authorities released the first video showing the spectacular crash landing. Security cameras on a Manhattan pier captured the Airbus A320 as it descended in a controlled glide, then threw up a spray as it slid across the river on its belly.
The video also illustrated the swift current that pulled the plane down the river as passengers walked out onto the wings and ferry boats moved in for the rescue.
Authorities also released a frantic 911 call that captured the drama of the flight. A man from the Bronx called at 3:29 p.m. Thursday, three minutes after the plane took off.
“Oh my God! It was a big plane. I heard a big boom just now. We looked up, and the plane came straight over us, and it was turning. Oh my God!” the caller told 911.
At almost the same moment, the pilot told air-traffic controllers that he would probably “end up in the Hudson.”
Sullenberger was seen entering a conference room of a lower Manhattan hotel, surrounded by federal investigators, before his interview Saturday. The silver-haired pilot was wearing a white shirt and slacks and seemed composed.
When a reporter approached him for comment, one of the officials responded: “No chance.” NBC said “Today” show host Matt Lauer would interview Sullenberger from Washington on Monday.
His wife, Lorrie Sullenberger, said “the enormity of the situation” had only begun to sink in Friday night as she watched the news.
“It was actually the first time that I cried since the whole incident started,” she said on “The Early Show” on CBS. She also said the family was making plans to attend Tuesday’s presidential inauguration.
She suggested the happy ending was good for the country. “I think everybody needed some good news, frankly,” she said.
Experts say the threat that birds have long posed to aircraft has been exacerbated by two new factors over the past 20 years: Airline engines have been designed to run quieter, meaning birds can’t hear them coming, and many birds living near airports have given up migrating because they find the area hospitable year-round.
Canada geese, one of the most dangerous birds for aircraft, historically migrate not because of cold but a lack of food. Winter weather kills the grass they eat and sources of fresh water freeze over.
But in developed areas, there is often both food and grass year round, found in parks and golf courses.
And there isn’t much that be done in the engineering of jet engines to armor them against a strike without hurting their ability to generate thrust.
The most vulnerable part of the engine is the fan, which can be bent or smashed by an ingested bird. Pieces of busted blade then rip through the rest of the engine like shrapnel.
Engines have been fortified so that they can stay intact in the event of such a strike, but they usually can’t be restarted once they are damaged, said Archie Dickey, an associate professor of aviation environmental science at Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University’s campus in Prescott, Ariz.
He said hits hard enough to cause a total failure are rare, only happening two or three times a year worldwide.
“That’s extremely rare,” Dickey said. “The chance of it hitting both engines, I’d guess it is less than 1%.”
Most bird strikes happen within five miles of an airport, lower than 1,000 feet, as planes are taking off or landing. Aircraft hit thousands of birds every year, but they usually bounce off harmlessly.
The US Airways flight hit the birds at 3,000 feet, the NTSB says. That caused a total engine failure, and the plane hit the river 3 1/2 minutes later.
“Brace! Brace! Head down!” the flight attendants shouted to the passengers.
Then, they were in the water. Two flight attendants likened it to a hard landing — nothing more. There was one impact, no bounce, then a gradual deceleration.
“Neither one of them realized that they were in the water,” Higgins said.
The plane came to a stop. The captain gave a one-word command, “Evacuate.”
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:15 am
Security Footage of US Airways Flight 1549 Landing in Hudson Bay,NY
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Sun Jan 18, 2009 5:17 am
US Airways 1549 Lift Out of Water
Moving the US Airways Flight 1549 onto the barge out of Hudson River
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Sun Jan 18, 2009 3:04 pm
gs78 wrote:
catbox_9 wrote:
Recruiters are like car salesmen, they get paid if you join. He can't recruit officers but that wasn't going to stop him from trying to recruit me by saying whatever it took.
A Marines recruiter almost managed to recruit my sister's boyfriend by saying that he would almost certainly be stationed in either Paris, Amsterdam, or Hawaii (three places he suggested as cool). I managed to convince him that wasn't happening - how many American troops are stationed in those places?
And why do we even have any troops stationed in Paris or Amsterdam?
Last I checked WW2 ended almost 64 years ago
Don't we have embassies there? I think there's troops there...but not many.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Sun Jan 18, 2009 8:07 pm
We have troops all over Europe.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Mon Jan 19, 2009 3:49 am
This was really amazing.
When I first met my husband, he was taking courses to be a private pilot but it was sooooooo expensive he eventually dropped out. There is no way he could have kept it up because they have to fly so many hours a year and we were poor. Actually, we are still poor
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Mon Jan 19, 2009 11:49 am
That must of been scary as hell, thank God everyone was ok, amazing.
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Subject: Re: US Airways Flight 1549 crashes in Hudson River: All Safe Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:04 pm
GoGetEmTigers wrote:
We have troops all over Europe.
Why?
I mean
Look at how much money we spend stationing troops overseas
We are at peace with Europe
The Cold War is over
Berlin Wall long gone
Send the troops home or to the Middle East where they are needed
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