Jim Bunning Voted Against Auto Bailout

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

Well I don't glame the owner of the trade center for canceling him.

I wouldn't go if he was there after he pretty much said you Detroit workers who's jobs will all be affected by this. He doesn't have to care, he won't be affected because he is rich.

I do


Be a cold day in Hell before I buy anything there again

I'll be working up there this weekend. And I'm glad Jim Bunning won't be in there any time soon.

And neither will I



I don't care if they were giving away free cases of beer



Bunning should be praised for not loaning tax money to an industry that has wasted billions since last summer

Yay. Jim Bunning just made even more people lose jobs. Now I'm excited.

Spoiler:

But the fact the Big 3 has wasted billions of dollars is not a factor


If they hadn't wasted money; they would not be in this mess

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

TG wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

TG wrote:

Well I don't glame the owner of the trade center for canceling him.

I wouldn't go if he was there after he pretty much said you Detroit workers who's jobs will all be affected by this. He doesn't have to care, he won't be affected because he is rich.

I don't think it had anything to do with the Detroit workers. He's from Kentucky so he shouldn't care about the people of one city in a state he's not representing. The auto industry has a big impact in Michigan but very little outside of there. Other than my uncle (who lives in Michigan) I don't know a single person who works for the auto industry. I'd venture to guess Kentucky is similar to California in that regard.

Alright, then if he isn't affected by it, doesn't understandit, and really doesn't care, then we don't need him here.

What is your opinion on coal fields?
The Eastern Mountain Cold Fields (located in Kentucky) are the most productive cold fields in that nation. That is what Bunning should be concerned with.

I think Bunning understands the situation


It is the C.E.Os; Executives. Labor Leaders and the UAW that don't

You mean the workers that can't feed their families?

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

Well I don't glame the owner of the trade center for canceling him.

I wouldn't go if he was there after he pretty much said you Detroit workers who's jobs will all be affected by this. He doesn't have to care, he won't be affected because he is rich.

I do


Be a cold day in Hell before I buy anything there again

I'll be working up there this weekend. And I'm glad Jim Bunning won't be in there any time soon.

And neither will I



I don't care if they were giving away free cases of beer



Bunning should be praised for not loaning tax money to an industry that has wasted billions since last summer

Yay. Jim Bunning just made even more people lose jobs. Now I'm excited.

Spoiler:

But the fact the Big 3 has wasted billions of dollars is not a factor


If they hadn't wasted money; they would not be in this mess

Wasted. Past tense. So now they need help. If they have the inteligence of a 5 year old they understand they have made mistakes and need to fix them. And without the LOAN, they can't do that.

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

TG wrote:

catbox_9 wrote:

TG wrote:

Well I don't glame the owner of the trade center for canceling him.

I wouldn't go if he was there after he pretty much said you Detroit workers who's jobs will all be affected by this. He doesn't have to care, he won't be affected because he is rich.

I don't think it had anything to do with the Detroit workers. He's from Kentucky so he shouldn't care about the people of one city in a state he's not representing. The auto industry has a big impact in Michigan but very little outside of there. Other than my uncle (who lives in Michigan) I don't know a single person who works for the auto industry. I'd venture to guess Kentucky is similar to California in that regard.

Alright, then if he isn't affected by it, doesn't understandit, and really doesn't care, then we don't need him here.

What is your opinion on coal fields?
The Eastern Mountain Cold Fields (located in Kentucky) are the most productive cold fields in that nation. That is what Bunning should be concerned with.

I think Bunning understands the situation


It is the C.E.Os; Executives. Labor Leaders and the UAW that don't

You mean the workers that can't feed their families?

Why is that Bunning's fault?



The Government is supposed to just loan billions of dollars without any accountability

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

Well I don't glame the owner of the trade center for canceling him.

I wouldn't go if he was there after he pretty much said you Detroit workers who's jobs will all be affected by this. He doesn't have to care, he won't be affected because he is rich.

I do


Be a cold day in Hell before I buy anything there again

I'll be working up there this weekend. And I'm glad Jim Bunning won't be in there any time soon.

And neither will I



I don't care if they were giving away free cases of beer



Bunning should be praised for not loaning tax money to an industry that has wasted billions since last summer

Yay. Jim Bunning just made even more people lose jobs. Now I'm excited.

Spoiler:

But the fact the Big 3 has wasted billions of dollars is not a factor


If they hadn't wasted money; they would not be in this mess

Wasted. Past tense. So now they need help. If they have the inteligence of a 5 year old they understand they have made mistakes and need to fix them. And without the LOAN, they can't do that.

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

gs78 wrote:

Why is that Bunning's fault?



The Government is supposed to just loan billions of dollars without any accountability

I didn't say it was his fault.

He voted against people having jobs. Of the company being fixed so the citizens of this country who pay their taxes to the government can work. But he doesn't care, it doesn't affect him.

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

gs78 wrote:

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

Waste? More like make cars. People don't buy them and what do they do? Sure, they should have made better models for the economy or whatever, but they never will without a loan.

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Why is that Bunning's fault?



The Government is supposed to just loan billions of dollars without any accountability

I didn't say it was his fault.

He voted against people having jobs. Of the company being fixed so the citizens of this country who pay their taxes to the government can work. But he doesn't care, it doesn't affect him.

He voted against a loan with no strings attached or accountability



The Big 3 can no longer do business as they used to do


They have to change from top to bottom

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

Waste? More like make cars. People don't buy them and what do they do? Sure, they should have made better models for the economy or whatever, but they never will without a loan.

Most people can't afford new cars regardless


Giving out a 15 billion loan won't change that

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

MANY people have lost their jobs. My mother has come home crying because some of her best friends have lost their jobs. My friends parents have lost their jobs. You watch the news and hear them talking about why this matters, and it's because so many people HAVE lost their jobs.

And great. Lets sell to a foreign buyer. Now we have all the Japanse people working instead of us. Aren't we generous.

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

Why is that Bunning's fault?



The Government is supposed to just loan billions of dollars without any accountability

I didn't say it was his fault.

He voted against people having jobs. Of the company being fixed so the citizens of this country who pay their taxes to the government can work. But he doesn't care, it doesn't affect him.

He voted against a loan with no strings attached or accountability



The Big 3 can no longer do business as they used to do


They have to change from top to bottom

A loan must be payed back. Isn't that considered accountability. They are paying it back, they just need it to get back on their feet.

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

Waste? More like make cars. People don't buy them and what do they do? Sure, they should have made better models for the economy or whatever, but they never will without a loan.

Most people can't afford new cars regardless


Giving out a 15 billion loan won't change that

People can't afford cars because they lost their jobs....

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

MANY people have lost their jobs. My mother has come home crying because some of her best friends have lost their jobs. My friends parents have lost their jobs. You watch the news and hear them talking about why this matters, and it's because so many people HAVE lost their jobs.

And great. Lets sell to a foreign buyer. Now we have all the Japanse people working instead of us. Aren't we generous.

The Japanese already own much of this country


Like I said earlier


Biggest mistake we made was helping them rebuild after WW2

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

MANY people have lost their jobs. My mother has come home crying because some of her best friends have lost their jobs. My friends parents have lost their jobs. You watch the news and hear them talking about why this matters, and it's because so many people HAVE lost their jobs.

And great. Lets sell to a foreign buyer. Now we have all the Japanse people working instead of us. Aren't we generous.

The Japanese already own much of this country


Like I said earlier


Biggest mistake we made was helping them rebuild after WW2

So what, just give them all of it? They own most of it so are we just going to give up? No.

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

Waste? More like make cars. People don't buy them and what do they do? Sure, they should have made better models for the economy or whatever, but they never will without a loan.

Most people can't afford new cars regardless


Giving out a 15 billion loan won't change that

People can't afford cars because they lost their jobs....

But even if they had jobs; how many of them can afford 35 or 40 grand for a car

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

MANY people have lost their jobs. My mother has come home crying because some of her best friends have lost their jobs. My friends parents have lost their jobs. You watch the news and hear them talking about why this matters, and it's because so many people HAVE lost their jobs.

And great. Lets sell to a foreign buyer. Now we have all the Japanse people working instead of us. Aren't we generous.

The Japanese already own much of this country


Like I said earlier


Biggest mistake we made was helping them rebuild after WW2

So what, just give them all of it? They own most of it so are we just going to give up? No.

We are getting beat at our own game


Capitalism

I am against socialism


But i rather see Obama spend 15 billion creating new jobs than giving out 15 billion to an industry that runs things like it was the 1950s

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I wish I could waste lots of money

And get a loan with no questions asked

Waste? More like make cars. People don't buy them and what do they do? Sure, they should have made better models for the economy or whatever, but they never will without a loan.

Most people can't afford new cars regardless


Giving out a 15 billion loan won't change that

People can't afford cars because they lost their jobs....

But even if they had jobs; how many of them can afford 35 or 40 grand for a car

We don't know that it will cost that much. We don't know that they don't have a plan to make a less expensive, more affordable car. In addition.... Even if people can't afford new cars they still need something to drive. Cars get old and brake down, and eventually you do need a new one.

gs78 wrote:

I am against socialism


But i rather see Obama spend 15 billion creating new jobs than giving out 15 billion to an industry that runs things like it was the 1950s

And how exactly do you expect him to create new jobs?

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

That is the main reason people are losing jobs

They are losing jobs because the company made MISTAKES. you have made mistakes. I have made mistakes. Their company has had problems and now they need to correct them. Without the loan everyone loses their jobs, the company is destroyed, and what do those people do? Starve to death.

Who says everyone will lose their jobs


The Big 3 can declare bankruptcy and stay in business


Or they could merge or find a foreign buyer

MANY people have lost their jobs. My mother has come home crying because some of her best friends have lost their jobs. My friends parents have lost their jobs. You watch the news and hear them talking about why this matters, and it's because so many people HAVE lost their jobs.

And great. Lets sell to a foreign buyer. Now we have all the Japanse people working instead of us. Aren't we generous.

The Japanese already own much of this country


Like I said earlier


Biggest mistake we made was helping them rebuild after WW2

So what, just give them all of it? They own most of it so are we just going to give up? No.

If the Japanese offered your family 10 times what your house is worth


Wouldn't your family sell



How is that giving something up

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I am against socialism


But i rather see Obama spend 15 billion creating new jobs than giving out 15 billion to an industry that runs things like it was the 1950s

And how exactly do you expect him to create new jobs?

I don't know perhaps the way FDR created jobs during the Great Depression

gs78 wrote:

If the Japanese offered your family 10 times what your house is worth


Wouldn't your family sell



How is that giving something up

I want the Japanese out of this country. And my house isn't a business. My house isn't the way many people make a living, which we are selling and sending to another company.

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I am against socialism


But i rather see Obama spend 15 billion creating new jobs than giving out 15 billion to an industry that runs things like it was the 1950s

And how exactly do you expect him to create new jobs?

I don't know perhaps the way FDR created jobs during the Great Depression

It is a different time though. And a different situation. If we can avoid entering another Great Depression, why would we say no to that?

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

If the Japanese offered your family 10 times what your house is worth


Wouldn't your family sell



How is that giving something up

I want the Japanese out of this country. And my house isn't a business. My house isn't the way many people make a living, which we are selling and sending to another company.

Even Japanese baseball players




I understand where you coming from


I don't like seeing the Asians dominate the world economy either

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

If the Japanese offered your family 10 times what your house is worth


Wouldn't your family sell



How is that giving something up

I want the Japanese out of this country. And my house isn't a business. My house isn't the way many people make a living, which we are selling and sending to another company.

Even Japanese baseball players




I understand where you coming from


I don't like seeing the Asians dominate the world economy either

haha. Okay Japenese baseball players are a little bit different.... somehow. haha

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

I am against socialism


But i rather see Obama spend 15 billion creating new jobs than giving out 15 billion to an industry that runs things like it was the 1950s

And how exactly do you expect him to create new jobs?

I don't know perhaps the way FDR created jobs during the Great Depression

It is a different time though. And a different situation. If we can avoid entering another Great Depression, why would we say no to that?

We are already in a depression



But the Big 3 can't continue to pay 6 figure salaries to blue collar workers and millions to white collar workers; producing a product that is out of reach for many families




You could loan all the money in the world and it won't fix the problem

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

TG wrote:

gs78 wrote:

If the Japanese offered your family 10 times what your house is worth


Wouldn't your family sell



How is that giving something up

I want the Japanese out of this country. And my house isn't a business. My house isn't the way many people make a living, which we are selling and sending to another company.

Even Japanese baseball players




I understand where you coming from


I don't like seeing the Asians dominate the world economy either

haha. Okay Japenese baseball players are a little bit different.... somehow. haha

Tigers don't have any